Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

I may have been "called out" today.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Devonai, Sep 3, 2004.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Devonai

    Devonai Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2003
    Messages:
    3,827
    Location:
    Connecticut
    My job as a courier takes me through a particular building in Manchester every day. On the upper floors of this building are a district court, the IRS, and one or two other alphabet agencies. There is a security checkpoint one must pass through in order to access the express elevators, but it doesn't effect anyone who wants to do business anywhere else in that building (including me).

    There are third-party armed security guards running the checkpoint. Since we see each other a few times every day I tend to say hello to them if they're not busy. Today a newer guard asks me "Whatcha got in that vest?" I said, "Keys, wallet, you know..." He says, "I mean under the vest." I said, "This, that and the other thing."

    Then the elevator showed up and I went on my way. I'm tempted to ask him next time I see him why he was suspicious of me, but I don't want to admit to him that I am in fact carrying.

    My carry pistol does print a little bit, but it doesn't scream "gun." The only thing I can figure is that a photographer's vest without a camera may simply be too stereotypical.

    If he asks me again I'm going to say, "If I ever need to pass through your checkpoint I'll answer your question, otherwise it's not your concern." I simply don't know how to be polite and tell him to mind his own business at the same time.

    Oh, well... the cooler weather will be here soon enough.
     
  2. Edmond

    Edmond Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Messages:
    1,465
    Location:
    Wish You Were Here
    Some of those guys have serious attitude problems, they think they're the cops or something. Hopefully, he'll be gone the next time you get there. It's scary to know that they let people like that go around armed!:eek:
     
  3. jamz

    jamz Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2003
    Messages:
    1,771
    Location:
    I'm a maniac, maniac at your door
    You've been "outed"? Congrats! Check out www.pinkpistols.com !

    I kid, I kid. :)

    Just tell the guard that "It's tactially a very bad idea to admit that one carries, even if one does". That should satisfy his curiosity in a polite, neutral way, and you come off like a wise, wise man. :)

    If it were me, I'd ask him "What on earth makes you think I might be carrying?" He'd have to tell you then.

    -James


    edit: from your post, I can't tell if he was asking in a friendly manner or a hostile one. If it were hostile, I'd change my above answers quite a bit. Then I'd probably just turn the questions back on him.

    "Why do you want to know, do I make you nervous?"
    "Would you like to know the color of my underwear as well?"

    If I was forced to answer for some reason, I'd say "Emergency supplies" or something.
     
  4. Guntalk

    Guntalk Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2003
    Messages:
    835
    Location:
    Louisiana
    Hmmmm. Some thoughts.

    If your carry gun prints at all, fix the problem. It is totally unacceptable for anyone to be able to see (even through "printing") that you are carrying.


    Do whatever it takes to fix the problem. If that means different clothes, that's fine.

    Otherwise, just keep smiling and keep moving. If he has legal authority to search you, that's one thing. If not, a pleasant smile and a "good morning" and keep moving.

    Sounds like you did okay, but anytime anyone even guesses you are carrying, you need to address that failure to conceal.
     
  5. rock jock

    rock jock Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    3,008
    Location:
    In the moment
    Yep. Wearing one of these is like holding up a sign that says "I have a gun."
     
  6. Tamara

    Tamara Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    9,325
    Location:
    Hoosieropolis
    A "Shoot Me" vest is not camouflage against anybody even the slightest bit aware of things gunlike; it merely obscures your piece to keep the mundanes calm.

    Of course, I'm about convinced that I could walk through the mall with my IWB 1911 exposed and a T-shirt that reads "There Is A Pistol On My Right Hip" and maybe one person in fifty would even notice... Most people are absolutely 100% absorbed with whatever is six inches in front of their nose, as anyone who's ever spent more than ten minutes driving in traffic can attest. :D
     
  7. Treylis

    Treylis Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2003
    Messages:
    1,332
    Location:
    Tempe, Arizona
    If questioned like that, I would just act confused.
     
  8. 45 ACP

    45 ACP Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    107
    Location:
    **********
    Admit nothing, deny everything to the bitter end.
     
  9. sendec

    sendec member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2003
    Messages:
    913
    Uh, this is just a wild guess, but if there is a security checkpoint at a government building (which it sounds like) are'nt they SUPPOSED to spot weapons? I can just hear people here complaining about poor security and bragging how they made it in without being spotted. Does'nt the guard have a contractual obligation to screen incoming people?

    Assuming that it is legal for you to carry thru that checkpoint and into that building, why not just display your permit so he knows you are legal? Frankly, all kinds of warning bells should have gone off with an evasive answer like yours - you were lucky to get in.


    The only thing that screams "gun" more than a black fanny pack is the photographer's vest. I have several that I use only when it is OK for me to be made. I am sure that I am the only person who puts something in a pocket, forget which pocket I put it in, and wont find it for 3 months.
     
  10. pax

    pax Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    9,762
    Location:
    Washington state
    sendec ~

    From the first post:
    He didn't go through the checkpoint, and he didn't need to go through the checkpoint. He just said 'hi' to the guards.

    In the land of the free it shouldn't be considered "lucky" to avoid being harrassed for doing something that was completely legal to do.

    pax
     
  11. CB900F

    CB900F Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2003
    Messages:
    4,657
    Devonai;

    I'd contact his supervisor & ask the supervisor to clarify to the guard that it's not his job to out anybody outside his area of responsibility. In fact, it's counter-productive considering that you have a legitimate reason to be armed.

    900F
     
  12. Kharn

    Kharn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    3,999
    Location:
    Maryland
    45 acp:
    You forgot the final part:
    "Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter-accusations." :evil:

    Kharn
     
  13. armoredman

    armoredman Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2003
    Messages:
    16,213
    Location:
    proud to be in AZ
    Tell him it's a colostomy bag, and did he want to arrest you for possession of a disgusting weapon?
    Cribbed that from the Miami Arcade incident in the 80s....
     
  14. sendec

    sendec member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2003
    Messages:
    913
    WTH?

    That does'nt make sense.

    Remember, these are security guards, not police. The rules are different.
     
  15. mustanger98

    mustanger98 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2004
    Messages:
    2,986
    Location:
    Union County, GA, CSA
    Don't forget to make counter-accusations.:D

    Tamara wrote:
    I would be the one out of the fifty. And if I can tell you're a single lady about my age, I might even ask you out. ;)

    As to the original post, I agree that it's none of security's business outside their area of responsibility.
     
  16. Devonai

    Devonai Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2003
    Messages:
    3,827
    Location:
    Connecticut
    Yeah, like "why don't you print the entirety of 18 USC 930 on your gigantic NO WEAPONS sign?"

    Darn it, if only it were cool enough for me to wear normal clothing again, like my Swiss Alpenflage jacket!
     
  17. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    10,755
    Location:
    Colorado Springs
    So whats the legality here? If there are federal government offices in a building do they get to claim the entire building as a GFZ?

    I'd look into the legality before I returned to that building armed. While you might not be in the government parts of the building, I wouldn't be surprised if their presence in the building somehow put the whole building under federal rules.


    As for the security guard, if you can legally carry there I'd just tell him its none of his business, but I'd be polite because he's just doing his job (and unlike most security guards I've seen out there it looks like he's actually doing his job).


    Photographers vest? Hell, you might as well strap on a tactical thigh holster :neener:
     
  18. .45&TKD

    .45&TKD Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    1,077
    When I took my AZ CCW (at Caswell's) I was taught that I was not pemitted to carry in any federal building and that if there was just one federal office in an otherwise business office building then the whole building was considered a "federal" building and that I could not legallly carry there.

    It's a good thing that you did not admit to anything. Chances are you were in violation of federal law.
     
  19. El Tejon

    El Tejon Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    18,083
    Location:
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    El Tejon response: "Are you coming on to me?" *wink, wink*:D :p
     
  20. Edward429451

    Edward429451 member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    2,251
    Location:
    Colorado Springs Colorado
    Sounds like the security guard *thought* he seen you printing and was proud of himself for spotting one. Big deal. It's to be expected in todays climate. At that point almost anything you say will give him confirmation either way. I've had it happen a couple times and learned to *misunderstand* the question and say 'Pretty good and how're you today sir?' and keep walking.

    You weren't 'called out', you were 'made'! Better work on that.:D
     
  21. outofbattery

    outofbattery Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2004
    Messages:
    874
    To anyone who frequents/lurks on THR a photographer's vest , especially on someone who is quite clearly not actively engaging in photography , is going to trigger *gun* . Tactical pants on someone who doesn't quite fit the demographics of who normally buys such clothes is a beacon as well - as is anyone carrying a fanny pack these days . However , most people are too wrapped up in what they are doing to take any notice or care but the idea that people carry concealed firearms is not a usual thought in the mind of the great and vast majority of the population so it isn't a worry .
    Chances are , quite a few people here would have *made* you , but most would have said nothing . There is also the chance that he's curious and/or just guessing . I've had people ask a million odd questions when I've drawn my CCW at the range but mostly it's a case of being curious or not educated - or tactful , which isn't quite the same as tactical .
     
  22. Vern Humphrey

    Vern Humphrey Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    18,376
    Location:
    Deep in the Ozarks
    Quote:
    -------------------------------------
    Tell him it's a colostomy bag, and did he want to arrest you for possession of a disgusting weapon?
    -------------------------------------

    I know a guy from back in the Bad Old Days, when no one could get a CCW who actually did this. He had a fanny pack, with the gun compartment in the back, and the cargo compartment in the front. He got a plastic bag, put a little you-know-what in it, sealed it tight, and once actually took it out and handed it to a security guard who questionned him. :D
     
  23. carpettbaggerr

    carpettbaggerr Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2003
    Messages:
    1,676
    I'd say " Oh, you mean my gun?" With a big smile on my face. Nobody'll believe it, especially if it's somewhere that CCW is illegal.

    Not that I'd carry anywhere it's illegal. :D
     
  24. Thumper

    Thumper Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    2,904
    Location:
    Rosenberg, Texas
    Betcha a dollar he's a gun guy and he was just making conversation.

    You know photog vest means gun. So does he...you think he knows because of his high end rent a cop training,

    ...or because he's a shooter?
     
  25. Zrex

    Zrex Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2004
    Messages:
    572
    You should have asked him if he was hitting on you. That usually pisses them off enough to where they forget why they asked you in the first place.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page