Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

I need honest input about EAA Witness

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by floydster, Jul 19, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. floydster

    floydster Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2008
    Messages:
    1,634
    Location:
    Central, Mn.
    I am looking at a full size Witness in Super 38 cal. ( which I want)in Wonder finish.
    Now,I don't want input from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about-like,well I heard kind of crap.
    If you have experience with EAA, that is what I need, good, bad, ugly.
    I am not a dink, just looking for the honest truth.
    Thanks, Floydster
     
  2. Eric F

    Eric F Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2007
    Messages:
    2,934
    Well I dont really know but........Well I kinda heard that they are ok


    Alright you asked for it. I have been looking for an alternate 38 super other than a 1911. As it turns out I know a local gun smith/competition shooter/ instructor that has a 38 super eaa. He let me come out and give it a run. It was not modified when I shot it the trigger was a bit heavier than the triggers I am use to but it shot well recoil was well managed. The only complaint I have is no decocker and the safety is less than manageable. I am a 1911 shooter and the safety is just diffrent. He has "externde" carry safeties available no big deal. The slide is so low profile that I could not rack the slide real easily but I have big hands and I feel this can be over come with practice. thats about all I have to say about that.
     
  3. p85

    p85 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2007
    Messages:
    118
    Location:
    central NC
    witness

    I own the wonder finish witness in 10mm. I am quite pleased with the pistol. I like how the pistol fits my hand. I tried the Glocks in 10 mm and wasn't comfortable with the grips. For the price, you cant beat it.
     
  4. floydster

    floydster Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2008
    Messages:
    1,634
    Location:
    Central, Mn.
    Humm, Eric, I have a CZ 75 B and a CZ PCR with the de- cocker, woundn't the saftey be the same as the 75 B.
    Thanks,Floydster
     
  5. SureThing

    SureThing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2004
    Messages:
    545
    I researched it myself. I hear they are ok guns. Just customer service is lacking.
     
  6. R.W.Dale

    R.W.Dale Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2005
    Messages:
    11,375
    Location:
    Northwest Arkansas
    No there is no decocker on a witness.


    I have a wonder finish compact 10mm. Thus far me and the previous owner have been quite pleased. Some mods I've done are a heavier recoil spring and an ejector shortening.
     
  7. shooter1

    shooter1 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,037
    Location:
    In the shadows.
    Well, I heard they were ok, so-------I bought one with the wonder finish chambered in 10mm. The pistol was totally under sprung. Empties were launched into low earth orbit! An order was placed to Wolff Gunsprings and a calibration spring kit was at my door in a couple of days. I found the 22# recoil spring to be about right to control the slide velocity. I shortened the ejector about .090" and installed the extra power firing pin spring. At that point I was satisified with the operation of the pistol. Accuracy was good and function was flawless. I loved the ergonomics so well that I now have the same pistol in 9mm and .45! I shoot 1911s a lot and found the safety to be difficult to operate without changing my grip. I couldn't find an extended one at that time, so---------I got out the "JB Weld" and modified mine to make it easier to disengage on the draw. Great pistol, easily worth more than you'll pay for one!
    str1
     
  8. floydster

    floydster Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2008
    Messages:
    1,634
    Location:
    Central, Mn.
    The 75 B has no de-cocker like my PCR, it has an ambi safety, however you can let the hammer down in the safe position (half cocked) with a live round in the pipe being it is a DA/SA.
    Thanks, Floydster
     
  9. schmeky

    schmeky Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2006
    Messages:
    2,190
    Location:
    West Monroe, Louisiana
    Floyd,

    I have one in .45. I think they are great guns for the money. I have had problems with the stock magazine spring after only about 200 rounds. Ordered a new one from Hennings.

    Had to jack the rear sight way up to shoot to POA, and the hammer mainspring is tiny, making for a DA that stacks significantly as you reach hammer fall, but I rarely shoot DA.

    I don't like the sheet metal roll pin the hammer rides on, but that's a personal thing.

    You could do worse.
     
  10. eerw

    eerw Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2003
    Messages:
    730
    Location:
    AZ
    Couple of people really like them..think it depends on which model you get..the Match, the Elite or the plain Witness.
     
  11. Eric F

    Eric F Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2007
    Messages:
    2,934
    They do make models with a decocker and models that are sa only. But as a standard its a da/sa with no decocker. Ok I may be wrong it might be a Tanfolio that has the decocker.
     
  12. wingman

    wingman Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    2,185
    Location:
    texas
    I have an elite match 45acp,super accurate,very little recoil,feeds 230grs RN does not like my 2ooswc reloads. Grip is like that of the cz75B and I use Hogue cz75b rubber grips on it.

    I will tell you I'm not a big fan of EAA however I took a chance with the Match because I like the feel of it, I will also add if it needed work rather then return to factory I would find a good smith.

    Thats my opinion hope it helps.
     
  13. atblis

    atblis Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2005
    Messages:
    4,531
    Location:
    Neither here nor there
    Well

    Extremely amusing and pleasant pistol shoot. The 10mm and 38SA versions are my two favorite autoloader pistols.

    Quality wise, I think they are a bit unrefined. The slide to frame fit is generally very sloppy. Tanfoglio has some QC issues, and they tend to kick out the odd lemon way more than any of the reputable companies. I think a big part of the problem is EAA. I would guess EAA basically doesn't care what Tanfoglio ships them.

    I've had very bad experiences with EAA customer service.
    In my experience they are one of the following
    a) completely unresponsive (best response actually from them)
    b) belligerent, condescending and or accusatory
    c) spectacularly incompetent.

    That being said, buy them cheap. Used, I would pay <$300. $250 is about right IMO.

    The 10 round mags are worthless. They split in half. Don't consider them worth anything in any deal you make.

    Despite EAAs best efforts, I still have and shoot Witnesses. I've gone more towards CZs, but unfortunately CZ does not make a 10mm or 38SA.
     
  14. SureThing

    SureThing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2004
    Messages:
    545
    I have heard great things about the Elite Match
     
  15. floydster

    floydster Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2008
    Messages:
    1,634
    Location:
    Central, Mn.
    Thanks guys for all the input.
    Floyd
     
  16. wally

    wally Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2004
    Messages:
    12,347
    Location:
    Houston, Tx
    I basically like the Witness pistols, but there can be some problems in 9mm & .40S&W from the short rounds in the long magazines. EAA is now supplying mags with a "spacer" in front which helps somewhat.

    In .45ACP .38Super I don't think you can go wrong. If can find one the Elite Match is the best buy -- way better gun over the standard than its modest ~$100 price premium might suggest, but the standard model is good if you might someday what to buy a spare upper in say 9mm, .45, or 10mm and have one frame with multi-caliber conversions.

    --wally.
     
  17. SureThing

    SureThing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2004
    Messages:
    545
    I forgot that EAA uses the same exact platform from .45 to 9mm. So that is one heck of a grip for just a 9mm.
     
  18. Peter M. Eick

    Peter M. Eick Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    5,035
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    I bought a very early witness 10mm when they came out. It was so early that I even talked to the Tanfolgio president who happened to be at EAA when I called to complain about how long it was taking to get my gun made.

    It worked, and worked and worked. I then got bored with it and decided that I should see how much it could take. (It only costs $285 with 5 mags so who cares). I started loading hotter and hotter ammo. Still no problems.

    I then got bored with that and relegated it to my truck gun where it rode for years. Every time I pulled it out it would fire.

    In the end I sold it to my boss who now shoots it still.

    Great gun. Never did anything to it but replace springs, 10 rnd wire cut mags and feed ammo into it.
     
  19. wally

    wally Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2004
    Messages:
    12,347
    Location:
    Houston, Tx
    Comparing the EAA .45 to the CZ75 is about as shocking as holding an XD45 after first picking up an XD40 -- how'd they cram that big round in there?

    So while it is larger, its not objectionable like say a Glock 21 or CZ97, and you do get 18+1 rounds in 9mm or .38Super for the extra size compared to the CZ75 9mm 16+1.

    --wally.
     
  20. sqlbullet

    sqlbullet Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2008
    Messages:
    445
    I have both a standard Witness in 10mm and an Elite Match 10mm. Both have been great shooters for me.

    The Elite Match is easily worth the extra $100. Much better fit and finish, tighter lockup, better shooter. The standard Witness needed a fluff and buff and Wolff springs before it was 100% reliable. The Match has been 100% since day one.

    Both my guns have the older 'square' profice slides. I have read many who have slide cracking issues with the new 'round' profile slides in 10mm. Not sure the same would be true for 38 super.
     
  21. IdahoLT1

    IdahoLT1 Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2008
    Messages:
    825
    Location:
    Boise, Idaho
    Ive had jamming problems with my Match 10mm using medium range reloads and factory ammo. Its seen ~400rds (~200 on the 22lb spring) right now, so i think if there was any break in period, it might be close. I heard of some problems with the wonder finish models so i figured the match model should be a higher quality and reduce my chances of problems. Ive bought and installed different # springs and installed a Sprinco recoil reducer. These helped but the rounds were still jamming on top of the chamber. I ordered some +5% mag springs and these helped cut the jams down. It only jams on the last 2-3 rounds of the mag. It also does not like hollow points at all. They always hit dead center on the feed ramp. I will order a couple new mags and if that doesnt help, its off to EAA or to someone who wants to tincker with it. Right now, its not reliable enough for me to consider using as a hiking/hunting/back packing pistol.

    Everything else about the gun, i like. I think i was unfortunate enough to get a lemon. Its just getting expensive tinkering with it. Im close to the purchase cost of a used Colt Delta Elite after all the things i have bought for it.

    So for anyone interested in EAA firearms, the way i look at it is, if you want to buy one, dont be suprised if you see problems. If it functions 100%, great, it will be an awesome pistol and will last a long time. But youre bound to run into more problems with them then say a bigger manufacturer like Glock, SIG, Springfield etc.
     
  22. wally

    wally Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2004
    Messages:
    12,347
    Location:
    Houston, Tx
    I've had to work on virtually all my EAA Witness 9mm, .40S&W and 10mm mags. Its why I only really recommend the Witness in .45ACP.

    Use the search I posted what I did to fix the mags on my Witness 10mm. Sounds like you have the same problem I have, although didn't matter for me if it was FMJ or JHP.

    I used the strongest mag springs I could get from Wolff and the 20 lb recoil spring, the 22 lb spring out runs the mag springs unless Wolff has introduced +20% recently.

    --wally.
     
  23. StephenT

    StephenT Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2004
    Messages:
    432
    Location:
    Houston TX
    Based on all the positive reviews, I placed an order for an EAA Witness Match Elite in 45ACP with Bud's today. Their website's "wish list" feature is handy, and I received an email notifying me that the gun was in stock again for $479, so I jumped. I have high hopes for this gun; from all indications, it's great value for the money.
     
  24. wingman

    wingman Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    2,185
    Location:
    texas
    Took my Elite match 45acp to the range today fired 50 rounds at 20 yards
    (230gr reloads) excellent accuracy no failures.

    One thing to remember most auto's prefer certain type bullets and many
    require a ramp polishing to fire other then hardball. This applies to all
    makes/models.
     
  25. hags

    hags Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2007
    Messages:
    750
    Location:
    Chain o' Lakes, Illinois
    Huh? Maybe on the lower Witness line, I don't sell them, but from the Witness Elite line on up they are some of the better made firearms I have sold.
    Tanfoglio has a worldwide reputation for making quality firearms.

    Gaze upon this..........

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page