I need opinions on 1911s

[EddieNFL]

if a 1911 is too complicated your an idiot.

I wouldn't go that far. Some folks thrive on simplicity; others enjoy investing the time required to master a device. Lots of Chevy drivers think they could handle John Force's ride at full throttle for 1,320 feet. They would be shocked...if they survived the ride.

The 1911 isn't for everyone. I cannot shoot any other platform as well. If I invested the time??? Sure, but I'm too far down life's path.

 

[Knockdownpower]

Sorry you are not going to like mine but here it is anyway. The 1911 sucks in this modern day in my opinion. There are far better designs available from a sundry of gun makers.

The 1911 is one of the best fighting handguns of all time, that is proven with an almost 100 years in service. If you look at military SF units, elite law enforcement teams, and yes Doc Glock, many, but not all successful competitive shooters, you will see a 1911 in their holster. Why? They haven't came up with anything better yet, PERIOD.

P.S. I own several Glocks myself, Models 20-10mm, 30-.45ACP, 17-9mm, 26-9mm

 

[Knockdownpower]

To bad the 9x18 is ineamic when it come to knockdownpower. No pun intended, lol. I do like the accuracy the fixed barrel design provides. But I'll stick to a larger caliber for a fighting handgun. To each his own.

 

[Knockdownpower]

Lets just say this, the best combat handgun is the one that is in your holster when the shooting starts. Besides, A handgun is only good until we find a rifle.

 

[Knockdownpower]

Doc Glock, didn't mean to piss you off. I wouldn't want to be hit with either one. And yes, spelling has never been a strong subject for me. But the fact is that the .45acp is a harder hitting round and has more muzzle energy. Not to say that you can't put a round in you attackers face and stop him instantly, but a .45acp fired from a 1911 or a Glock or whatever has a higher chance of a one shot stop that a 9x18, or a 9x19.

 

[Paladin5469]

Before this thread develops further into a 1911 vs the world thread, I just wanted to let everyone know that I put the 1944 made colt on layaway. I spent a good deal of time going over the pistol looking for cracks and other defects and was satisfied. I look forward to rebuilding it into something truly accurate.

Also I've rationalized that I can pick up an STI Trojan or Spartan in 9mm later to fill my need for a dedicated pistol for the center-fire portion of a conventional pistol match.

To throw you a bone Doc Glock, I'm sure i could use a makarov should I so desire for this course of fire. I don't know if I'd want to but I suppose I could.

 

[Knockdownpower]

Paladin, good luck in you future competitions. What ever pistol you choose make sure it is what you like and are proficient with and not what's in style. Hope my posts helped some.

 

[Knockdownpower]

If I recall correctly, the most one shot stops were done with a .22 caliber bullet.

NATO 5.6 MM is .22 caliber and I have never seen a .45 caliber rifle in all my years in military service.

I have seen a lot of bad guns go down when hit with a 9 mm diameter projectile which is .355 in in diameter such as 38, 38 long, .38 special, 357 magnum, 357 Sig, 9 mm Luger, 9 mm Browning Cort(.380 ACP) and the 9.24 mm Makarov.

Thought we were talking about handgun calibers, not vary many pistols chambered in 5.56 NATO. I'm not saying that 9mm isn't capable of stopping the enemy, I was just saying that I believe the .45acp to be better in this aspect.

 

[Paladin5469]

Doc Glock: I'm paying a little over 700 for it. It already has a set of ellison adjustable sights and it looks like someone has already set it up as a hardball gun. Everything seems pretty tight. the frame has a tiny bit of play but I'm ok with that for now. I liked it so I'm buying it.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

If I recall correctly, the most one shot stops were done with a .22 caliber bullet.

30 cal

(7.62x39 ak47)

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

And I was driving the truck!......don't take it apart please.

lol

 

[Knockdownpower]

Doc Glock, I totally agree. We both would rather have a good handgun than a phone in a bad situation. By the way, the ice cream comparison was cool. That's one of the things that make this country great, the open exchange of ideas and different views. Oh, I remembered that you mentioned you served in Vietnam, happy memorial day.

 

[Nushif]

I know you guys are a bit uh ... slow on the internet memes, but you are aware that Doc Glock has done nothing but troll since he's been around, right?

That being said, I think when my next 1911 comes around I'd get another Colt. Just cause it seems like ... the right thing to do. And because mine has treated me real well so far.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

^^he's got his opinions, which i don't agree with, but he is entitled to them.

trolling is trying to cause arguments--doc glock hasn't done that at all.


try again

 

[MICHAEL T]

No....... Common Sense. The human eye can not see a quarter at 300 feet with out a visual aid. If the quarter only got bent like also shown that was a very weak hit. !911 bullets would simple bounce off people at that distance.

Early Military test of the 1911 at 250yds penetration of white pine 4inch. Early ordnance test determined velocity and energy remaining at 250yds to be 666fps and 226 foot lbs That at 250 yds and would hurt you at 100 will not bounce off

Thats from Jerry Kuhnhausen shop manual I would say he has forgot more about a 1911 than you will ever know

trolling is trying to cause arguments--doc glock hasn't done that at all

he will thats his nature He also says he has a Singer MFG co. 1911 (they made 500) he values at 150K But he hates 1911's

 

[mljdeckard]

Doc glock,

The spirit of this forum is not to go into threads and give advice people didn't ask for. If all you are going to do here is look for any thread asking for anything about 1911s and bash them, you have just earned the distinction of being the second THR member ever to go in my ignore list.

When the Glock design is as old as the 1911 design is, it won't be more popular than ever nor dominating any class of anything.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

come on guys.

do you really get riled up at people's opinions like this in person? so what if someone doesn't like your gun?

 

[mljdeckard]

If all they want to do is intrude into and crap on someone's question instead of answer it, then yes, I will absolutely walk away and ignore them. I doubt I will miss the conversation I might have had otherwise.

Why do we call it The High Road again?

 

[blackwalnut]

Opinion on 1911 ---Did he get an answer?

Paladin I am confused did you ever get a clear answer or am I having mental failures to feed? I have been out of this but I would recommend to you as was recommended to me years ago to not sink a lot of money into a first pistol but just get something that meets the requirements. Yes I would say get a new pistol if you can. You can always keep it for fun. And their are certainly good Smith & Wessons and even Springsfields that mite work well in a Government model platform. Sig Sauer also offer a P220 version in single action that mite meet your needs. Glock 21s are usually large for most people but I dont think they have an accepted Bullseye platform. I could be wrong. H&K I believe now has a .45 thats aimed at that competition. There are many choices. You will spend some money but not the really big bucks that others do. SEE how you like this part of the game. You can do as I did and even borrow a pistol before jumping with both feet. Way back I guess in the 1930s and into the 50s revolvers were the hot set up but they were put away for the auto. One more thing to those reading this yes Mr. Browning evolved his design but the final one he worked on became the High Power and was completed by Saive.
He worked with him. If time permitted who knows what the outcome might have been. Also Carl Walther double action P38 is a neat "modern" design with a good track record. And finally Gaston Glock studied many pistol designs to come up with his by borrowing as many others have facets of the most successful designs. I think the Glock will be around for many years. In this country having a big aftermarket is indeed a moneymaker just like automobiles. And as with cars and trucks too many take apart good pistols and ruin them. Then they get a bad bad rap and make food for discussion on forums just like this. Good Luck Paladin. Spend wisely.

P/s I would stay away from Norincos or cobbling up old military pistols. The steels in those are soft and steel alloys today are much superior. Again evolution takes place. Norincos are soft because of the way they do business. Take the money and run and never look back. Same with Chinese tires. The DOT has more complaints and other incidents than you can imagine.

 

[MICHAEL T]

Doc Glock

Is there a reason you seem to be stalking me around and making absurd accusations friend?

stalking you? I have been member since Join Date: February 3, 2004 and have over 3700 posts You the one that shows up every where I have been a member for years and attack Bersa and my boards. Your one been ban from 4 boards in now 5 months of 2010 not me. Last one was the Walther Forums . In Apr.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

Gaston Glock studied many pistol designs to come up with his by borrowing as many others have facets of the most successful designs. I think the Glock will be around for many years. In this country having a big aftermarket is indeed a moneymaker just like automobiles. And as with cars and trucks too many take apart good pistols and ruin them.

agreed.

i think the glock will prove to be as endearing a design as the 1911.

i still like my 1911's better than my glocks though lol

 

[Paladin5469]

Blackwalnut,

Thank you for your advice.

I was under the impression that the Chinese made Norincos have a reputation for being made of an unusually good grade of steel (a 5100 series steel). Good knives can be made with that type of steel (Im thinking of 5160 in particular) This is not to say that a Norinco is heat treated properly, which makes all the difference in the world, but the alloy has the potential for very good toughness and better wear resistance than 4100 series carbon steels.

As for the steel in an older US GI pistol, my biggest concern would be the heat treat. For all I know only the critical wear areas of the pistol were hardened. This is probably an unfounded fear. If these old workhorses have gone through the years with thousands and thousands of rounds through the pipes and still work, they must have been made well.

 

[Paladin5469]

If anyone is interested; the particular pistol I chose looks exactly like the pistol found here

http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/12/colt-m1911a1-national-match-at-auction.html

The grips look the same, the sights look the same, and weirdly enough, the texturing job on the front strap is exactly the same.

From what I've researched the sights and that texturing job were common stuff to do back in the 50s and 60s. Ironically I was flipping through a pile of old gun rags after putting the pistol on layaway and I came across an article written in that era about accurizing government 1911s. The article even outlined the procedure of using a punch to achieve the same fronstrap texture!

Small world.

 

[JoeSlomo]

The 1911 sucks in this modern day in my opinion.

Yea....

O.K....

That is indeed AN opinion, however, that opinion is not shared by everyone, and certainly not by those in the bullseye community.

The STI Spartan is an excellent low end 1911, and I would highly recommend checking out Dawson Precision for a decent price. They are accurate and well fitted.

For a higher end gun, check out the Les Baer PII with the accuracy enhancement option.

 

[1911Tuner]

Doc GLock opined:

The 1911 design has several design weak points.

Then it continues, and all I can say is...

Wow, Doc. Just wow. Your theories are so flawed that I don't know where to start, so I'll just say this:

The problem isn't in the design. The problem is in the recent execution of the design. Various manufacturers wo want a piece of the rather large 1911 pie seem to make up the specs as they go...which hasn't worked well. They also substitute cheaper materials in order to increase the bottom line...and they very often run into trouble with that. This is a sad state of affairs, but it wasn't always so.

Just FYI...Plunger tubes don't "vibrate" loose. They loosen up from operating the thumb safety places a side-load on'em...because they aren't properly staked...and because they're not made of the right stuff. That statement alone indicates that you don't really understand the gun and how it functions. I'll assume that this is from lack of experiennce, and is based on a few observations and drawing an incorrect conclusion based on opinion or internet talk rather than facts.

I'd suggest that you take the time to educate yourself by reading and talking to people whose experience with the 1911 goes back to a time when they were made right. Mine goes back over 45 years. There are others here who have been involved with them for even longer than that...and they remember.

Be well...and welcome aboard.