I see several anti-Bush ppl here..

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Haven't we seen an unprecedented amount of CCW permits issued in several different states in the past 2 years??

Clearly this is more of a progun administation than anti..

Also have noticed far fewer news headlines regarding shootings..
WHich of course spells better press for us.

I guess my buns still burn thinking about the way heir klintoon and reno went after us...
 
I can't find any, and I've looked, but does anyone have a written transcript of some of Bush's speeches from when he was running for Governor of Texas?

I saw him twice during that period. His RKBA stance was as solid as if you and I would have written it.

Bush is a hunter and a recreational shooter. For those that say he's a "sporting purposes" kind of guy, you're mistaken: Have a look at his super strong pro CCW stance.

He beat Ann Richards purely on the CCW issue, according to popular thinking. I can't picture Lieberman winning anything based on his "pro" CCW stance.

Those who paint Bush as anti or at best ambivelent haven't been paying attention.
 
willp58:

Haven't we seen an unprecedented amount of CCW permits issued in several different states in the past 2 years??


Yes that's true, but Bush has had very little to do with it outside of Texas.

The rise of Shall-Issue is due almost entirely to the efforts of local grass-roots organizations, and to a lessor extent, the NRA, GOA, etc...
 
Thumper:

Those who paint Bush as anti or at best ambivelent haven't been paying attention.


Well, I noticed that he said he would sign a renewal of the AWB, and I noticed that the Lawsuit pre-emption bill has been languishing in the Senate for quite a while since Bush won't push hard for it.

Bush is a man of good character in my estimation. I take him at his word. If he said he would sign an AWB renewal then I believe him.
 
I'm sure the President, whoever he is can exert pressure on states to "help" certain legislation get passed or defeated..

If Bush gets no credit for the CCW, then who gets the "credit for the stock market plunge of "00??? I've seen quite a few libs blame the economy on him knowing it started down under klintooon's watch..

Also does he get any credit for the very successful Mars landing?
 
Bush is a hunter and a recreational shooter. For those that say he's a "sporting purposes" kind of guy, you're mistaken: Have a look at his super strong pro CCW stance.

Al Gore used to consistently get "A" ratings from the NRA. What Bush did in Texas back then is just ducky. What I'm concerned with is what he is, and isn't, doing in Washington DC now.
 
Bush is a man of good character in my estimation.

You need to remember to include the appropriate smilies when you write stuff like this. Otherwise people will think you're serious.

db
 
Bush had nothing to do with the changes in ccw. Those issues were handled at the state level.

Uh, you do remember that Bush was governor of Texas, right? That would be state level, correct?

As for Gore, he stopped getting an A rating in 1988 when he broke ties with every value he'd declared for years (pro-2nd, anti-abortion) in order to get the Democrat presidential nomination.

But of course, the most damning thing Bush has done to show his hatred of the 2nd Amendment is to put Ashcroft in charge, a person who has made the individual rights interpretation of the 2nd as DOJ policy. Evil, evil Bush.
 
Well, I noticed that he said he would sign a renewal of the AWB

How, Luke? It was an answer to a question put to his press secretary. Have you seen the circumstances? According to some here, you'd think Bush had a policy speech on it. Specifically, he said (through Fleicher) that IF Congress passed it, he would sign it. Some here characterize him as "eager" to sign it. Eager? Even his press secretary refuses to repeat the comment, even when hounded.

Politically, putting it on Congress (I'm just a Bill, I am only a Bill...and I'm sittin' here on Capitol Hill) was the right thing to do.
 
Politics is the art of what's possible. GW said he was not in favor of any new gun legislation. That's the best you're gonna get. Bush is the man for me.

Will he sign the AWB renewal? You bet he will. And so would I if I was him. It's called political expediency.

Don't like it? Vote for Howard. Check out his web site. Anti-gun all the way.

John
 
Uh, you do remember that Bush was governor of Texas, right? That would be state level, correct?

That was a state during his term as governor there. The post to which I was replying reads:

Haven't we seen an unprecedented amount of CCW permits issued in several different states in the past 2 years??

Was Bush, while I wasn't paying attention, serving as the governor of several states as well as POTUS during the last two years?
 
IMO, Bush is just greedy. He is not the caliber person we need for a president. We knew he lost Florida, but we did nothing...not like Gore would've been a HUGE inprovement anyway...

Cmon, we all knew he was just after oil. He's always been after oil. He's got his head so far up Saudi's rear its not even funny. We need a president that will do something about oil, besides fight wars for it. we need another fuel source already, because we know in 40 some odd years that there will be NONE left.

I didn't really like either of the candidates. I do, however, like Bush less. And that's saying something. We need to clone Jefferson or something, because I am sorely dissapointed with this years candidates as well. Clark sounds cool, but he wants to renew the AW ban...
 
Let's see.

Mr. March,

I do share some of your sentiment regarding GW and some of the things his administration has done, but for the most part I think he's doing well. What I do see is a portrayal of what is being "said" as being what has been "done" however. Case in point the AW ban and GW. GW said he would sign an AW ban if it comes across his desk. Understandable that we fear that he will do this especially after CFR was signed (and I will get to that to tie this altogether in a moment) which is an constitutional violation of our right to free speach.

Here's my thinking and it is all hypothetical but stay with me here. I'm going to pretend that I'm the President for a moment.

AW ban coming my way and asked if I will sign it I would say "You bet I will! Get it to my desk and my John Hancock will go right at the bottom in thick black ink." Huh? What do you think? Sounds pretty bad, but what you wouldn't see or hear about would be me off camera and off the record talking to key people in congress and asking them to make sure that the AW bill never makes it to my desk for signing in the first place. Politically I would be covered because I "said" I would sign it if it crossed my desk, but if it never makes it to my desk...?

Then there's CFR; and this is going to be a big stretch but I hope it holds with either the second term for the Bush administration or the following Conservative administration, which we will get I can assure you. All that has to be done is allow CFR to run until you get a few key points on your agenda done and then have it brought up for review in the Supreme Court...oh, say after one gets ones judges appointed ;) Once CFR is brought to the attention of those that don't wipe their rearends with the constitution it will go the way of the Dinosaur.

Politically it is a win/win situation if it plays out the way I described above:

"I said I would sing it but it never made it to my desk." AW ban.
"I signed it and then the courts deemed it unconstitutional and threw it out. It's not my fault and the court makes their decisions independent of me and I will abide by their decision." CFR

As President I would be covered from every angle on these two issues once it was all said and done. Politics at it's finest but like I said it could all play out the other way and we could all get upset about it legitimately but let's wait to see if these things actually come to pass before we condemn another.

Someone brought up the Patriot Act again and Homeland Security and while I have been slacking on my reading over the holiday season I have still been reading the text of the Patriot Act. So far other than the inclusion of some words and specific definitions the rulings and amendments already existed in the form so many seem to be up in arms about. I'm not sure why some became so disgruntled when it took on the title of the Patriot Act but were completely unaware that these Acts already existed prior to the Patriot Act being brought to the forefront and have for years. The Patriot Act seems (to me thus far but still reading) to merely put all these Acts and Articles in one place. So why was it better when they were all scattered around but still in existance? That's what I'm finding hard to understand.

Again, I agree with your sentiments and think it's high time a Conservative stood up and did what was right to protect the constitutional rights of the American public, but politically it might not be the best way to get things done in this day and time, unfortunately.

Take care all,

DRC
 
Thumper:

How, Luke? It was an answer to a question put to his press secretary. Have you seen the circumstances? According to some here, you'd think Bush had a policy speech on it.

If GWB had a problem with Ari Fleischer's statement he would have had a correction issued by now. Bush has let the comment stand, that's good enough for me.
 
buzz_knox:

Uh, you do remember that Bush was governor of Texas, right? That would be state level, correct?

I was editing my post as you wrote that. Yes I give him credit for Texas CCW if what people are saying about the race aginst Richards is accurate.

As for Ashcroft, I doubt his support for the 2nd had much to do with Bush's selection of him as Attorney General. Seems it was more of a consolation prize after being beaten by Carnahan's ghost.
 
Perhaps I wasn't clear...I believe Fleicher said EXACTLY what Bush meant to say.

I would've done the same thing. If you're reasonably certain that it's going to be a non issue ( see awban scoreboard a awban.com), then why put your head on the political chopping block?
 
Perhaps I wasn't clear...I believe Fleicher said EXACTLY what Bush meant to say.

I would've done the same thing. If you're reasonably certain that it's going to be a non issue ( see awban scoreboard a awban.com), then why put your head on the political chopping block?


I get your point now.

I see a little distinction between Bush saying he will sign it if it appears on his desk and other's then saying "Bush supports renewal of the AWB" But not very much distinction.

Bush could have had Fleischer mumble some incoherent nostrum like "The President doesn't want to prejudge the issue and will examine any AWB bill that reaches his desk very closely based on it's effectiveness in reducing crime to date and consistent with the fact that we already have 20,000 gun lawsonthebooksandhow'boutthemTexasRangersand... "
 
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Bush could have had Fleischer mumble some incoherent nostrum like "The President doesn't want to prejudge the issue and will examine any AWB bill that reaches his desk very closely based on it's effectiveness in reducing crime to date and consistent with the fact that we already have 20,000 gun lawsonthebooksandhow'boutthemTexasRangersand... "

I agree, and I wish he would've. I also wish he didn't support NICS. But to pretend that he's not the best electable candidate we have as 2nd Amendment advocates is ridiculous.
 
Has anyone really searched all the little nooks and crannys of the patriot act? I'll bet a dollar to a donut that there is language in there that could make the AWB renewal moot. If you can't win going straight ahead try an end run. Political expediency is what has placed us in this mess. How long has it been since a high elected official actually had a position and stayed with it. Opinion poll politics will ruin us as a nation yet.
 
Thank you Thumper!

<<<<But to pretend that he's not the best electable candidate we have as a 2nd Amendment advocate is ridiculous.>>>

And that is what I was getting at this whole time....

Everyone's down on Bush but have you all forgotten what it was like under the "Great White Stainmeister"???
He was constantly after our gun rights -- We couldn't wait till he was outta there!
 
I apologize for the graphic nature of this post.

Politics is the art of what's possible. GW said he was not in favor of any new gun legislation. That's the best you're gonna get. Bush is the man for me.

Will he sign the AWB renewal? You bet he will. And so would I if I was him. It's called political expediency.

Don't like it? Vote for Howard. Check out his web site. Anti-gun all the way.
Is this a joke? Dean is anti gun. Dubbya has promised (through Fliescher) to sign the AWB. Umm, yeah. :scrutiny:

Lets see: I have two options, one candidtate who mentioned useing vaseline when raping my rights, or one that didnt mention it. To think that I should choose the canditate that mentions using vaseline when he/she will be raping my rights is so ludicrious that I cant begin to fathom how anyone even concieved the notion. That will most certainly not be an election I will be a part of.

I take a 3rd option, as would any rational person. Vote for the guy that will stick up for my rights.
 
Does anyone else think that the patriot act will set a bad precident that will make it easier for the government to take our guns in the future, you know "for our own safety"?
 
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