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I shoot 0.6 MOA at 500 yards. Believe it or not.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by MR WICK, Dec 1, 2022.

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  1. MR WICK

    MR WICK Member

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    I'm shooting tight groups at 700 yards with my Savage Arms 10/110 Precision 308. I'm reloading my own ammo now.

    They are installing a mile long target at my range on Christmas. I want to one day hit it. All the research I seem to be doing is just turning up hunting rifles. I also happened on the PRC cartridge. That could be a way to look too.

    In your opinion what is the best, bench rest, long range precision rifle. Cost not a factor.
     

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  2. Txhillbilly

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    The best would be to build or have a custom rifle built. You can go mild to wild depending on your budget.
    I've built 4 custom actioned rifles using Shilen DGR and American Rifle Co Nucleus / Nucleus 2.0 / and Archimedes action's. There are so many nice custom action's produced today, you just need to find one you like. The same goes with quality custom barrel's, pick the brand & style you want.

    Since you already have a Savage, you could just buy a nice custom barrel and swap it out in a matter of minutes. All you'll need is an action wrench and a set of Go gauges as long as you stay with the same size case head.
    I've got a bunch of Savage action semi custom rifle's that I've assembled over the years. They will shoot just as well as most custom rifle's, they just aren't as fancy or cost as much. But, You are limited with the choices of stocks, triggers, etc..
     
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  3. South Prairie Jim

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    If your shooting those pictures groups at 700 with your savage then you better stick with that rifle and buy a lottery ticket.
     

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  4. Mk-211

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    If you're not competing, do you really need a competition/bench rest rifle?

    I would use the extra money for a good scope and or ammo/reloading supplies for whichever caliber you get.
     
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  5. Demi-human

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    Is it the wand, or the magician, that does the trick?

    If it’s the wand, https://seekinsprecisionusa.com/seekins-havak-pro-hntr-ph2-6-5prc/
    , and a scope to get there. I like the added “More” of the PRC, if the CM is just right, the PRC kicks it back up into “better”. More Is Better.

    If it’s the magician, these are sold out for a reason.https://direct.kriegerbarrels.com/savage
    They will turn the wand you’re using into mile long magic.
    With the benefit of already knowing the rest of the rifle.
    The bolt face is the same, all you need is a gauge set.:thumbup:
    And handloading dies.


    If a true benchrest stock is what you want, they are more likely found separately. Savage has a line of Model 12 rifles with one iteration as a bench rifle. But they are difficult to use without a bench. I would be belly down for a mile shot.
    I prefer the Culbertson style here, but they make every kind. https://richardsmicrofitgunstocks.com/product/hardwood-benchrest-varmint-style/


    A mile is just another thousand yards or so…;)
     
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  6. Walkalong

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    Manners make competition stocks designed for long range shooting, they make an outstanding stock.

    Look at what long range F-Class and 1K Benchrest shooters are using, buy something like that.

    Buy some great glass to go on it, and again, look at what they are using.

    You can afford it, so don't cut corners.

    Check out Short Action Customs, they'll build you a rifle that can shoot with anything out there.

    But again, look at who is building rifles for the long range competitors
     
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    Surgeon scalpel, Horus H0VR complete shooter package, Larue rings, Training with Todd Hodnett of Accuracy 1st.
     
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  8. Demi-human

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    But that’s not as fun as buying equipment!:)

    I smirk like the Grinch, gleefully wringing my hands, at the thought taking an unlimited budget rifle course. Easily the best use of cash to reach a mile with a projectile. And it comes with Filet!

    It’s a stretch, a very long one, but the CM can do 1760, if the bullet weathers the ~1400yard trans-sonic zone.

    Because, after I hit it, what good is another specialize rifle? (Duh, one more is more better, silly! It’s what we do!)
    I would find doing it with a Creedmoor even more impressive.
     
  9. Charlie98

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    Pick the right cartridge. .50BMG comes to mind.

    Humor aside, and as was mentioned, you already have a Savage... stab a new barrel on it, and perhaps drop it in a better stock and have a go at it. Glass will make all the difference at 1 mile... so that's something to consider. Training for the purpose isn't a bad idea, either.
     
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    IIRC, I’ve seen this thread repeat a couple times. Firstly I have my doubts the target posted is from 700 yards and I base that on the fact that I have highly specialized equipment that won’t lay down groups that tight at 600 yards, and I work my tail off to be competitive, in comparison the op has not posted any of his load development questions or results that approach the level of understanding and reloading skills it takes to shoot that tight.

    So I’m my mind we either have a phenom future hall of fame shooter or a guy that should buy a lottery ticket on the way home.
     

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    I agree with the above post
     
  12. Varminterror

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    If you’re wanting to hit steel at a mile, from a bench, then I’d go to the range some calm day after they hang the steel target at a mile, and shoot it. It’s not so hard.

    We’ve given this advice several times - you start with some distance and say cost is not a factor, and in each instance, you’ve moved the goalpost and have ultimately bought something else which is poorly suited for the original task described.

    A mile isn’t so terribly difficult to reach just to say you did it, and there’s absolutely no sense in buying a new rifle just to do so.

    There’s damned sure no sense in buying a 6.5 creed or PRC to shoot a mile. If you’re spending any money, be serious about it, and if you’re serious about shooting a mile at a high efficacy, 338 LM and 300 PRC or Norma should be your minimum starting point. But again, if you just want to hit the target at a mile, buy ammo for something you own and don’t waste a penny on anything else - especially a 6.5 creed or 6.5 PRC for that job.
     
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  13. d2wing

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    Mr Wick often posts threads that make me skeptical that he is serious.
     
  14. MR WICK

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    My apologies. Every target I take a picture of I always write the distance on. That was not 700 yards. The picture that was supposed to be labeled was 500 yards.

    If anyone is skeptical about me or my shooting I have no problems posting pictures or videos. You have to take into account that I shoot 5 days a week. So if I have a right group at 500 yards is because of practice and training.
     
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  15. MR WICK

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    I don't think the Savage Arms 308 I bought was moving the goalpost at all. I was not looking to hit a mile with a 308. And I've listened to everyone. You guys told me to start reloading for more efficiency and productivity. I bought a press and had a professional loader give me lessons. My accuracy as you can see in my 500 yard post is pretty damn good. I'm using Federal Brass with Hornady Competition bullets and a load of 38.9.
     

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  16. Nature Boy

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    Can you remind me again what ammo you were using to shoot that group at 500?
     
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  17. Nature Boy

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    BTW, you can shot a 308 to 1 mile. This guy will tell you how he did it.

     
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  18. BreechFace

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    Even at 500 yards based on your target the center circle should be about 1.5" wide (given that the target is a 12"x18" target). So you are holding .3moa for what looks like a 9 shot group (with a flyer covered by a sticker not counted) at 500 yards?

    Why are you asking us for help?

    Do you offer classes that I can come and learn to reload and shoot under your tutelage ;)?
     
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  19. d2wing

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    Reminds me of the internet expert we had awhile back.
     
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    The Navy Seal who claimed to qualify on Army courses of fire with a Mini-14 because he thought we wouldn’t notice it only LOOKS KINDA LIKE an M1a who talked smack about offhand pie plate shooting…? M118LR I think?
     
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    Here ya go, @South Prairie Jim - here’s his 700 yard paper target, Ballistic-X puts this right about .38moa.

    Not bad shooting for only having the rifle a few months, and reloading for 3wks.
     
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    I wondered if the 6.5CM was the right ‘question,’ My first thought was he would probably do better with a long-action cartridge, the 6.5CM’s merits aside. I made that tongue-in-cheek comment about the .50 BMG… although I wasn’t totally joking. The OP said money was no object.
     
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    While 1 mile is only the START of ELR competition distances, the King of One Mile competition doesn’t look so different than ELR Light Division, plus guys shooting their heavies. 33XC has more play at 1 mile than at 2 miles, although Cheney performed admirably with a 33 a couple of years ago, effectively validating the light rifle class.

    But when guys are serious about shooting 1 mile and beyond, their cartridges look like these - acknowledging 50BMG doesn’t get much play, nor do any 30 cal outside of Light Class, and really even the 33XC or Lap Mag. 416 Stroker, a Cheytac Cylinder derived cartridge, came on strong this season. 375 Cheytac, 416 Barrett, and 416 Stroker seem, or improved wildcats thereof, seem to own the game. We just don’t have powders available in the world to make use of bigger cases.

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  25. South Prairie Jim

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    He’s a natural’
     
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