I spoke with victims of a anti gun government

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Rather sobering.
I went to the range yesterday to site in my shotgun (rifled slugs @ 100 yards),
While there, a gentleman walked over behind me....very polite and non intrusive.
I had finished the job at hand and was taking off my hearing protection and he apologized for watching over my shoulder. Obvious to me he was British.

He was interested in the Saiga 12 gauge I had modified. We spoke to the gun for a minute. He told me of the new laws in the UK. How criminals are now into home invasions etc. Violent crimes in London has all but closed certain parts of the city. People are defenseless. He noted I had my S&W 38 on my hip that I carry concealed (range is open carry)...and said he and his wife would feel so much more safe if they could carry legally.

The conversation was very sobering and downright scary. People sitting in fear in their homes....cannot go out to the show/dinner for fear of gangs roaming the streets knowing full well their victims will be defenseless.

We as Americans must never let this happen in our country folks. The Anti Gun people are out there and are very real. I myself, have maybe, been lulled into a false comfort that it will never happen here.

My resolve is stronger than ever to participate, donate, join and actively participate in our RTKBA.

Just wanted to share......my heart goes out to our British cousins who have a uphill battle on their hands to get their rights to protect themselves back from the left wing anti gunners.
 
Sarge, I have faith. I also have some concern... both about the same thing... radicals...

Radicals, on both sides of the argument are why we have maintained most of our 2nd amendment rights. I am concerned, because they are dwindling in certain parts of the country but all-in-all radicals are bad at getting things done. That is good for us with existing rights, but on our side of the ball... the good side... the people fighting the fight need to come off less radical. Let the anti's play the role of doom and gloom.
 
About ten years ago I let a couple of Singapore try a Garand and carbine at a local range. They were both thrilled and had seen the guns in books and on TV shows. In Singapore getting caught with a firearm was a death penalty offense and self-defense could get you a longer prison term than murderers got for killing you.
 
I work for a UK company and when I talk to the owners about guns, I am amazed at how little they understand about guns and the concept of self defense. It is very unfortunate for the people of the UK (and most countries) that the entire concept of armed defense has been trained out of them so that all they feel they can do is be a helpless victim.

I feel that more and more, we in the USA must set a shining example for the rest of the world and open the eyes of the law abiding folks so they know that a better way is possible.
 
Yep +10 The facts are so obvious about a disarmed populous.

For us I fear some group of gun toating individuals will declare war on the U.S. government like the Red brigade or name half a dozen other 60s group and start shooting. Government says "that's it" and no more guns.

Good news we still have guns and the 60s are long gone.

Some believe a government will and can do a false flag type operation to meet some sort of nefarious goals and has evidently happened before.

Those who say from my cold dead hands will get their epitaph fulfilled if the First Cav or the 101st is directed to a local area for gun confiscation. Katrina? Bet there were some cold dead hand people there but they gave up their guns. Bluster and words in a comfortable environment is easy. Make them uncomfortable and they just wanna go home to mommy or the wife and kids.

Let us hope those who serve us in government will use common sense and look at some of the facts pertaining to gun ownership and leave our second amendment rights alone.

Even back in the long forgotten days of my patriotic war we had buttons that could be pushed to make people/city blocks and even towns disappear.

Yet today there are very few answers to be had for some of the scenarios when dealing with bad guys/gangs..... Mexico...Boarder...Iraq....Afganistan....Kill a few but there are always more to take their place....

We need to elect pro 2d amendment people into office but even at that you have to wonder what some liberal lawsuit that falls on the steps of the supreme court will have on the 2d in the future?.... To early need coffee!
 
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Britian doesn't even have freedom of speech. It's common to silence the opposition there by suing for libel, even if what they said was true. Google "ASBO". And you'll get an idea of Britian's idea of 'rights'.
 
Ive spoken with a UK citizen that was here in the states in my college days, he says that even defensive knives are illegal now days. the Government statement is "save a life, bin that knife". Apparently bin means trash across the pond. Maybe in a fanatic, I would be scared out of my wits if not only all my guns were confiscated but also all of my knives.
 
Oh come one, the UK has to be one of the safest places on the planet. I mean if there is tight gun control then thugs will have to hand over their guns to the law. Thugs obey the law, correct?
 
Remember Mexico has gun control.......
Go live a week in Cd. Juarez (across from Texas).

Lateck,
 
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For us I fear some group of gun toating individuals will declare war on the U.S. government like the Red brigade or name half a dozen other 60s group and start shooting. Government says "that's it" and no more guns.

Good news we still have guns and the 60s are long gone.

Some believe a government will and can do a false flag type operation to meet some sort of nefarious goals and has evidently happened before.

Those who say from my cold dead hands will get their epitaph fulfilled if the First Cav or the 101st is directed to a local area for gun confiscation. Katrina? Bet there were some cold dead hand people there but they gave up their guns. Bluster and words in a comfortable environment is easy. Make them uncomfortable and they just wanna go home to mommy or the wife and kids.
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Don't forget what the British troops were going to do on April 19, 1775 in Massachusetts.

This is one of the reasons why our founding fathers penned the Second Amendment, and one of the reasons why the "you don't need that gun to hunt with" is one of the dumbest anti-gun arguments ever.
 
I feel that more and more, we in the USA must set a shining example for the rest of the world and open the eyes of the law abiding folks so they know that a better way is possible.
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I couldn't agree more.

We as Americans must never let this happen in our country folks. The Anti Gun people are out there and are very real
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Here are the latest statistics that I could find (worth looking at) about RKBA and the perceptions about it. I'm actually pretty picky about these polls as I have studied stats for a bit, this seems like it's a fairly accurate one.

73% of American believe that we have the right to bear arms.
20% believes that the right only applies to the militia.
7% had no opinion.

In the same poll:
49% believed that we needed more strict gun laws
38% believed we should leave them as they are (or enforce the ones we have)
11% believe in less strict gun laws.

68% of American's oppose a law that would ban handguns
30% are in favor of a law that would ban handguns

For anyone interested, for 374 gun owners and 630 non-gun owners the error rates 4% and 6% respectively.

That's where we stand, although is it an older poll, they at least released how they derived their answers instead of scribbling a bunch of numbers down while telling me it is the gospel.

I've been to the UK, and was married to a woman from the UK for a while. I wouldn't speak for them by any means, but I do not think that they could produce the same numbers. Her perception of gun was pretty scary. She would have believed a dictionary of guns if hollywood had have made it.
 
As someone who has English friends (NOT Brits), they mention the same thing - rampant crime by various groups of immigrants, including the use of knives and razors to attack folks; hence the current thought processes to make possession of kitchen knives illegal and strictly controlled.............
 
I remember reading this on this very forum, in the thread about gun owners in foreign countries:

we do not come under the UK,we have our own Govt,we are also not part of the EU.We are British subjects of the Queen of England,but not represented to or part of the UK Govt,having no MPs either in the UK or the EU.All our firearms are registered,and have to be kept in a secure place,which is inspected by our Police,but they are very reasonable & helpful towards shooters & collectors,but woe unto you if you let the side down,drink driving,petty crime of any sort etc & you lose your lic for life.They also like you to have a reasonably sized collection,as they know the value of a persons collection makes them think twice before risking losing them all over something stupid.

The poster was from the Channel Islands (British Crown Dependency). I don't understand how one can get it so right (relatively speaking) and the other (UK, and Australia from what I understand) can get it so wrong, especially when they have a common history and form of government (maybe it has to do with population, too many liberals in Britain and Australia with their populations of multi-millions while the Channel Islands is only 65,000.... maybe it has to do with the fact that they were occupied by Germany for most of WWII)
 
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Before the 1920 Firearms Act, Britain had the lowest murder rate of its history. Since then, with every gun act, its crime rates and in particular gun crime rates, have gone up (not down) but the British authorities are very proud that their gun crime rate is lower than that of the United States, even though the British gun crime rate is higher than it was before they started passing their gun laws. Also telling is that British violent crime such as home invasion robbery and attacks by young thugs on old people and females are more common in Britain than in the US, and have increased in Britain as guns and self defense have been criminalised.
 
In Britain you can't attack a BG in your house in any manner, the Police will protect you. In the US the Police are not required to protect you so you must protect yourself.
 
People sitting in fear in their homes....cannot go out to the show/dinner for fear of gangs roaming the streets knowing full well their victims will be defenseless.
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Don't have to leave the US to find that. Chicago, DC, LA, Oakland...virtually any city with "progressives" in charge come to mind.
 
I sure am glad that Canada isn't going to allow what happened in Britain and Australia.
 
Yeh it's terrible here is Australia what with all the fear of leaving the house and guns being banned. Anyways, I'm off to the club with my new 686 to have a blast...
 
I have some friends in London, England, and my wife and I have visted them a couple of times. We've been told the same as others here have related. There are many areas where the "yobs" the thugs and criminals control the streets, the night and even at times, the day. The police don't even bother to try and control the criminals.

And of course, for all practical purposes, self defense is outlawed.

As much as we've enjoyed parts of England, Scotland, etc., (both I and my wife are decendants of Scots and English ancestors) you couldn't pay me to live there.

As a side note, there is an interesting movie, however, about a man who takes on the "yobs" in London. "Harry Brown," starring Michael Caine. Rent it if you have a chance.

L.W.
 
Its hard to believe that a country that was nearly conquered by Germany in WWII would basically disarm its citizens. Amazing!
 
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