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I think CC is more suspicious. Opinions plz...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by johntaylorny, Jun 27, 2010.

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  1. johntaylorny

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    I think CC in the wrong way can look more suspicious and draw more attention than OC. By "wrong way" I mean you are CC with a tight shirt on where the outline of a gun is evident or a short shirt that rides up and exposes a portin of the gun.

    I think it gives the impression as if you are trying to hide a gun, and that raises eyebrows. "Look, he's got a gun under that shirt".

    Compare that scenario to a middle class guy, shaved, well groomed, dressed in casual business attire, OC on the hip. In my opinion CC would look more suspicious.


    Please share your opinions on this...
     
  2. FourteenMiles

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    Is someone sees your CCW it is not concealed.
     
  3. Deanimator

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    1. Ohio's an open carry state. Open, concealed, badly concealed, it's all legally the same here as long as you have a CHL.

    2. What may seem obvious to you will more often than not, go completely unnoticed by the average person. I regularly carry full sized handguns in Don Hume 715M IWBs. I carry with a tucked shirt. That holster's not made to be tuckable, but I've never had anyone say anything, even people who know me and know I carry.
     
  4. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

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    Context is everything.

    I don't think cc is suspicious in the least, especially if the person is dressed reasonably well and appears to be going about their business.
     
  5. kingpin008

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    My opinion is: who cares?

    As long as you're carrying legally, I don't give a d**n if you're open carrying an original Buntline in a construction-paper holster with a gunbelt made of twizzlers.

    You seem to be fixated on how the public at large perceives individuals carrying guns. As long as it's legal, why does it matter so much to you?
     
  6. SharpsDressedMan

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    If you are suspicious while carrying concealed, you need more training.
     
  7. Gouranga

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    Ditto. If you are obviously printing, well you are not CCing. Part of CCing is to figure out how to do it. When I first started, I tried on various outfits (felt like a '**** doing it), to see how well they concealed, if i could see ANY idea that I was carrying. Even now when I leave I will check the mirror on my way out to make sure I have not made a tactical error in my carry.

    Suspicious to me, is the guy who "plays" with it, constantly readjusting it, someone who obviously prints, anyone who like to make it publicly known he is carrying during discussion, etc. True CCing, is not suspicious cause nobody knows you have a weapon in you.
     
  8. TexasRifleman

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    I agree. There seems to be a feeling among a lot of gun owners that we're some kind of reflection on the Second Amendment with every little move we make.

    The simple fact is that if we are doing what is legal, that's good enough. That's about as good a reflection on the Second as you can get, being law abiding.

    That's not necessarily true. There are all kinds of situations that might arise where someone might see the outline of the firearm through no intent of the carrier.

    The real world isn't perfect, which is why most states use the word "intentionally" in describing their printing laws.
     
  9. kingpin008

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    Bingo.
     
  10. cambeul41

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    Concealed carry guns are a form of underwear. I agree that it is more modest if underwear is not exposed through too tight or too flimsy clothing -- but wearing underwear fully exposed? No thank you. That can be seen as threatening or soliciting action. [Fact: when I was elsewhere and else-when, open carry was considered to be a challenge to a gun fight.]

    No, I am not against open carry. I am playing games with the question. Sometimes such game-playing does not translate well to print.

    Now, someones turn to say, "Concealed means concealed."
     
  11. TexasRifleman

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    Historically all concealed carry was looked at that way.

    Honest law abiding citizens carried guns out in the open since they had nothing to hide. Only dishonest folks hid guns.

    Somewhere along the way that got reversed.

    And, it's not really that a well dressed guy with an open carried handgun is seen as less suspicious, the truth is that the public in general will assume him to be some kind of law enforcement. Right or wrong there's a stereotype in the minds of the general public.

    Male, in dress pants, wearing a handgun in a leather holster. I'd bet 90% of the public will just assume "cop".
     
  12. GunsBeerFreedom

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    This is the funniest thing I've read all day.
     
  13. kingpin008

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    I do what I can. :D
     
  14. wishin

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    That's exactly what you're trying to do, and that's why it's called concealed. Some hide theirs better than others.
     
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    I agree with TexasRifleman on this. I would guess that at least 75% of the public thinks either, "cop" or "armed guard" when they see a well dressed person OCing.

    OP, please remember that one can OC in the wrong way too. Fiddling with the gun, banging it on objects coming around corners, letting people touch it, etc.

    In a hypothetical, you can tailor circumstances to suit any opinion.
     
  16. KenW.

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    Concealed is CONCEALED. Dress for the part...
     
  17. Ric

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    I'm of the opinion that 1 in a 1000 would even notice if I had a shirt with and arrow that said "gun here"
    And even fewer would say anything about it that I can't handle with the line.
    "It's an insulin pump, thank you for minding your own business."
     
  18. Dravur

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    I hate to tell you all this... cuz, it really is true. Most of the people out there wouldn't notice if you walked around with a live badger in a bag strapped to your hip.

    When I open Carried, I carried a Hard Chromed HK P7 in a Black Sharkskin holster. No one noticed. No one said Boo... No one did a double take or a facepalm. It was a non-event.

    So, if you are even mildly concealing that hog leg, you will most likely not have any notice, or care.
     
  19. Gottahaveone

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    Yeah, I have never been asked, but I'm gonna say "It's a Colostomy bag. You mind helping me empty it right quick?"

    I started out carrying 15 years ago with a PPK/S. The first time I went out in public, I felt like I had a 6' neon sigh over my head flashing "He's got a gun!!"

    It took a very short while to realize that 99.999% of the people out there are so clueless to their surroundings that you have to *want* to show them you're carrying for them to notice. Of course this assumes that you show a little common sense and don't wear skin tight tee shirts, or reach for items on the top shelf with your carry-side hand, and squat to tie your shoe rather than bending over, etc so that your shirt doesn't pull up and shove a gun butt in their faces. A tiny bit of tact goes a long way......
     
  20. smokin hot AR10

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    When I first got my CCW, I was very self-conscious about if my firearm printed but after carrying it for X amount of years, I have realized the average person does not pay attention to other people the way you may think.

    When a person gets their CCW, they may need to change how they dress. Remember, you dress for success.

    As far as Open Carry, I would rather not. I do not like to draw unwanted attention from other people. :D
     
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    I buy Xlarge shirts. I sometimes look like a homeless person but that can be a good thing. I have been made exactly once. In 1996 I was taking a computer class at the local adult High School. When I leaned over to help the girl next to me, my 6906 was naked. I think the instructor soiled himself just a little bit. I had to resort to carrying a .22mag Davis derringer for the remainder of the course. Joe
     
  22. CoRoMo

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    Funny how each example is blatantly painted to support the biased premise.
    My thoughts exactly.
     
  23. Dnaltrop

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    If you're a big guy like me (6'5", 215), the entire world is a bit of a squeeze. Strangely enough, people ram full on into me like I'm a mirage.

    I have to keep it tight, and off the widest cross section of my body.

    Literally I'm more worried about the next idiot shattering an elbow, or getting a concussion blasting their forehead into the holstered gun, than it being discovered on sight.

    Visual confusion... My family dresses me in (admittedly nicer, and genuine) Hawaiian shirts, People are more likely to try and track the pattern to see if that hula girl is really wearing so very little, or they get lost in the massive floral patterns.

    I Can't OC however, I'm startling enough to run into. (I'm one of those big guys who don't make much of a footfall either, I've been told to stomp more) I guarantee I'd have 10 "concerned citizens" calling 911 within seconds of approaching any populated area.
     
  24. russ69

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    "I think CC is more suspicious."

    Only if you think guns and gun owners are bad and only do evil. Personally I feel comforted when I see someone carrying.

    Thanx, Russ
     
  25. wally

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    Open carry gives up the element of surprise and makes you the first to be dealt with. As everyone else has said if your clothes "print" or fail to cover you are not concealing!
     
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