I thought the Ghost gun rule would be pushed by now

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  1. castile

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    What is up with the new rule? Are they having trouble trying to push it through? Maybe we will get lucky and it will just die.
     
  2. herrwalther

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    I think there is less of a focus on pushing gun control. I don't think gun control will be on the agenda for the rest of the year at least.
     
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    I think the ATF is behind on everything. The confirmation hearings for Biden nomination for ATF director showed that Biden was pushing both an unqualified and close-minded person to contro the agency. The pushback from the Senate Committee reviewing the appointment was severe. It became clear to Biden that his gun control plans are going to encounters a lot of resistance with little likely of passage into law. Biden is a pragmatist. He is not going to fight a losing battle, and he has a lot of bigger issues on his plate right now so guns are lower priority. I also think that the upcoming SCOTUS 2A case is making the Anti 2A folks a bit nervous so they have to wait to hedge their bets. After SCOTUS rules they may have bigger issues to deal with that gun and magazine bans. Time will tell.
     
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  4. The Last Outlaw

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    Funny how people have been making firearms themselves all this time, but now all of a sudden it is a huge problem.
     
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    The technocrats have a hard time understanding that it does not take a masters degree or a big corporation to make things. Just because most technocrats are more appliance operators than makers is part of the problem. Most would be terrified that we have amateur blacksmiths.

    One reason that technocrats (and most of the left) have issues is that many of the working class can make things.
     
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    Simple answer to the OP's question: the administration has too much else on its plate right now. They don't want any more controversy.
     
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    Often simple is best, but a more detailed analysis in my opinion.

    I don't think any form of gun control is a high priority right now. For one thing a lot of Democrats became 1st time gun owners within the last few years and there is less pressure from them to make laws more restrictive.

    Sure there are some who want more restrictive laws, but they know that right now is not the time.
     
  8. WestKentucky

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    I kinda agree with the political commentary here. There are bigger fish to fry and there’s a bear in the campground. What’s the real concern at that point. Gotta survive the bear before you worry about the fish, and even then the big fish come first. There are plenty blunders to wade throughbefore we get back to guns. Oh by the way, how’s the pistol brace thing coming along now that ratings have tanked? If they can’t get the overall approval ratings back up then they all get eaten in 3 years or less.
     
  9. vintovka

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    All the ghost gun talk has done in sell more 80% and all the parts to go with. Think some are investing in crates of them.
     
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    I was pretty surprised when this administration came out early and hard on gun control. They just didn't have the political capital to push anything like that through. And now, with the mis-steps along the way, I don't think they will have the time, power, or energy to get much done on that front. However, as was previously mentioned, that certainly has not, and will not keep them from unilaterally making regulatory rule changes that are blatantly unconstitutional.
     
  11. DoubleMag

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    Everybody just keep painting a rosey picture although I think it's water color vs. oil paint. This is too much crayons needing pencils during ink pen class. Glad to be wrong, but, NEWZ FLASH, the hugeness and largess of the gov't blob is more then capable of handling many issues simultaneously, including publishing a rule (with a few tweaks) (responding to the :pplebs) that's ALREADY WROTE. Again, glad to be wrong. After all, only the oil pipeline workers, border agents, food distribution/trucking, covid doctors/nurses/LEO & 1st responders, others,etc. etc. , need be extra severely disappointed due to this Admins horrible multi-spectrum decisions. Already.

    Yes again, all all all them, but not this one lil :pissue. GLAD TO BE WRONG about that cloud ahead , as the automatic headlights come on.
     
  12. Tirod

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    IIRC the Brace rule won't be until January and will likely have more impact.

    At present the main push is fighing off ballot auditing because it would immediately oust some from office due to fraud. After that, the vaxx push as they are deep into Pfizers pockets. That is not over yet and there will be major repercussions. Both lead directly to control - they stay in office and they impose the same system on us as China did, you pay with an app on your phone. It can be tied to your social score and also restrict you if you post something detrimental to our overlords. No gas no groceries because you said "Lets go Brandon" on line.

    Gun control is way down the list of things going on right now. They know we know there are 65 million who already own 450 million + guns. The current scam is to work right around that and look where we are now. Just sitting around taking it.

    You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.
     
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  13. Riomouse911

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    DC can’t get anything done until after the mid terms. If D hold the house/senate expect them to try to placiate their loud, lunatic fringe and try to push it through to keep them happy for 2024.

    If they lose control of the legislative branch it’s DOA.

    In the meantime, they’re letting the D-dominated states do the dirty work for them. Ca has already banned the manufacture of 80% pistols by making serial numbers mandatory… then refusing to issue serial numbers to home built pistols since they are not on the arbitrary DOJ roster of “safe guns” (neat trick, huh?). Soon a new law takes effect that looks like you won’t be able to possess, buy or import any 80% lowers, gun parts or kits for home-building any handgun, rifle or shotgun, either. :(

    Stay safe.
     
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  14. JohnKSa

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    There are problems with Ghost Gun laws.

    First of all, there's potentially a jurisdictional problem with the federal government preventing the home manufacture of firearms. The whole FFL scheme hinges on two important facts.

    1. The licensees are, by definition, involved in interstate commerce. That makes it clearly within the federal government's jurisdiction.
    2. The licensees volunteer to be licensees and therefore to be governed by the federal laws regarding licensees. Nobody has to be an FFL if they don't want to be.

    Things get really sticky if they try to regulate someone who's making guns for their own personal use. It's very difficult to explain how that has anything to do with interstate commerce, even in the ridiculously expanded version of that clause perpetrated by Wickard v. Filburn. Remember, if the person is making the guns to SELL, then that's already illegal so there's no need for additional regulation there.

    States can probably limit home manufacture of firearms for personal use without having to deal with that hurdle.

    There are practical problem with trying to regulate pieces of metal or plastic that can be turned into firearms. You have to somehow be able to define what you're regulating so that owning pieces of plastic and metal don't suddenly become illegal. What makes one piece of metal illegal (because it could be made into a firearm too easily) while another piece remains legal? They might be able to push the threshold down from 80% to some smaller percentage, but that won't really serve the intended purpose unless the percentage is pretty small. And in that case you're down to just regulating what's basically a piece of metal or plastic.

    They could try to regulate the technologies used in home firearm manufacture, but that would be even harder, IMO.

    My feeling is that the only way they will make any real headway on their goal at the federal level is to eliminate the existing barriers to firearm registration at the federal level and institute universal firearm registration. Then they can use a similar scheme to the NFA (which has stood the test of time and legal challenges) to prosecute people who make firearms but don't register them. In other words, it would still be perfectly legal to make a firearm for your own personal use--but you would have to register it to avoid prosecution. This also has the side benefit (from their perspective) of making UBC easily enforceable.
     
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    What a lot of people don't understand about the proposed rule changes concerning "ghost guns" is that it will also effect most firearms that were made before 1968. There were a lot of firearms made prior to 1968 that do not have serial numbers on them. As a group, we need to stick together on this instead of being divided by those that build their own against those that do not. Unfortunately, we have seen some gun owners that want to throw home builders under the bus.
     
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  16. castile

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    I agree on sticking together, but so many of our ranks think ghost guns should be banned. Why do you need a gun without a serial no, why would you pay more to build a gun, why why why. Its like trying to unite muscle car drivers on what oil is the best. My feeling has always been I may not be into your area of shooting, like I don't get into sporting clays or big game hunting but if they chip away at that they come for me nest.
     
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    Absolutely agreed.

    Again, what people don't realize is this proposed rule change also effects any firearm made prior to 1968 that also does not have a serial number. Too many want to over look that fact. And I can't stress that enough to those that want to ban 80% builds.
     
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    Huh, I didn't know that. So does this now mean that I'd have get my JC Higgins serialized? How would one even do that?
     
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    One would not necessarily need to put serial numbers on their unserialized firearms under the proposed rule changes. It would be necessary for the FFL to put a serial number on them before they could log them into their bound book. The rule changes were written to be specific about home build and imported firearms more so that pre 1968 firearms. But those don't have serial numbers and would fall under the same rules for FFL's.
     
  20. Master Blaster

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    Ghost guns and three dee printed gunzz are now illegal in my State of Delaware. Thanks to the Moms demanding action, all 20 of them, and despite the signed letters and protests of over 5000 gun owning Delawareans who see our liberal Democrats subjecting us to a relentless death of a thousand cuts attack. Also we now have confiscation first due process later as well.
    https://www.wdel.com/news/carney-signs-bills-into-delaware-law-barring-abusers-from-possessing-guns-banning-ghost-guns/article_571265a0-31c6-11ec-97b1-fb14413e83e0.html
     
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    The rulers have bigger fish to fry presently and are seemingly worried about getting some of them in lower positions reelected next year. Some are trying to grab more anti 2A power still it seems. It will be political suicide for many to push this though. Look back at the Clinton AWB for answers.
     
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    And they are trying to make it hard to even get a serial number for homebuilt firearms there by citing the fact that every gun must be on the state safe firearms list. And with Glocks, only the Gen 3 is on the safe list.
     
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    As it is now the Dems hope to capitalize at the polls on their failure to push through gun legislation. Don't be surprised to hear the Dems : "We tried to push through reasonable and responsible gun legislation but the Republicans blocked all those efforts because they are all in the NRA's pockets! Vote Democrat in November to make our streets safe from gun violence!"

    One reason politicians try to push through legislation they know will not pass it to use it as political ammunition against the opposition come election time.
     
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    Of course, it’s Politics 101. :) Every loss can be made into a gain with the right spin.

    Stay safe.
     
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