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I want a military trainer in .22 LR.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by aarondhgraham, Sep 24, 2015.

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  1. aarondhgraham

    aarondhgraham Member

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    Lately I have become enamored with military trainer style rifles,,,
    One that has caught my eye is the Polish WZ-48,,,
    I actually like that it's a single-shot.

    I've decided to try and find a military trainer of some ilk,,,
    I'll be going to the Wanenmachers gun show at Tulsa this November.

    I've been researching on the web and have found a few,,,
    But as in any search I have no idea how thorough I have been.

    Would any of you gentlemen who own a military trainer,,,
    Please post a picture and description of it.

    I just want to make a long list of rifles to look for at the show,,,
    I'll actually have a decent amount of cash this time,,,
    So help me out by broadening my horizons.

    I'm hoping to get pics and descriptions of as many different rifles as possible.

    Thanks in advance gentlemen.

    Aarond

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  2. Art Eatman

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    There is a Mauser .22 single-shot training rifle that looks much like a 90% scale model of a K98. Very accurate, if in good condition.
     
  3. Bama Drifter

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    CZ 452 trainer. That is the answer.
     
  4. Kilroy Was Here

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    I owned a wz48 and it is definitely a neat gun but honestly the bolt is very finicky. The way it is designed incorporates a nut which keeps the bolt together. This nut can loosen over time which will lead to soft strikes. Moreover, they are very susceptible to dry fire damage, so if you decide to buy one, make sure you can inspect the breech for evidence of this. A deformed breech will require careful filing to fit a .22 properly. I would strongly recommend a French MAS Model 45. Very solid gun built on Mauser tooling. I also owned one of these but again stupidly sold it. I have heard good things about the Enfield .22 trainers, but have no personal experience with those.
     
  5. caribou

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    For all out bullet proof hunting use, a Romanian M-69 trainer is a 5 shot, hooded front post, leaf express rear sights with u notches, 25-50-100 meter leafs that fold The 25 meter sight is milled solid steel and Ive never seen one break. All my kids have had one, the wife too. Lost clips at 24$ each is a pain, but kids are kids, and long ride on a snowmachine has such things dismounting themselves, occasionally..
    A sling and a cleaning kit in the buttrap and its a real prize for small game and the large ones that .22lr does best. Accurate, postitive in action, the only problems we encounterd was shrunken stocks tah needed shimming to get the magizine to aligne for proper feeding, but that was "it"......and was an easy fix, as well.
     
  6. ColtPythonElite

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    I guess it maybe a military style trainer with its tangent sights, but I dunno if any military actually trains with it....With that said, the 452 Trainer is a fine rifle. I love mine.
     
  7. Panzerschwein

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    One of those Polish Mosin .22 trainers sure would be nice!! DO WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
     
  8. Onmilo

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    The Czechs and the Egyptians do or did.
    I had several Maadi produced copies of the BRNO Trainer .22 for sale back in the early 90s.
    They were imported by Century Arms and sold to me through Southern Ohio Gun.
     
  9. StrawHat

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    If I wanted an older training rifle, I would look to the Springfield M1922 and it's variations. They were and still are great shooters.

    If you are looking for something more modern, take a look at what the CMP is offering.

    http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/22-target-commercial/

    Kevin
     
  10. fpgt72

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    Egypt also used air rifles as trainers
    http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2008/04/the-hakim-air-rifle-part-1/

    Getting anything american or from europe is going to really lighten your wallet, WWI american are going to hit you for at least $1000 for something that is worth while IMHO. My single shot mauser was $800 several years ago, and yes it does look like you took a wet 98K and tossed it in the dryer. Great fun rifle loves sub sonic.

    They are very fun to collect, some are VERY accurate with heavy barrels, the little polish 22's look like fun, but I don't have one yet.
     
  11. aarondhgraham

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    Thanks for the tips gentlemen,,,

    Thanks for the tips gentlemen,,,
    I'm adding gun names to my list of what to look for.

    As far as that CZ-452 Special Military Trainer goes,,,
    I've owned one for about two years now,,,
    It's a fine performing rifle for sure.

    That Springfield is exactly the style rifle I'm looking for,,,
    But it has a price tag that makes me shudder,,,
    Most seem to be going for a Grand or more.

    That Polish WZ-48 also has that true military look to it,,,
    Thanks for the tips about the bolt and breech.

    The Mauser would be the best for me,,,
    I own a K-98 in 8mm and that would be a wonderful set.

    I think I would actually prefer a single shot,,,
    Like someone posted, mags can be expensive and hard to find.

    I Googled that MAS-45,,,
    It's not quite the style I am looking for,,,
    But I put it on my look-at-list due to the great reviews on it.

    Thanks for the suggestions gentlemen,,,
    Please, keep 'em coming.

    Aarond

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  12. ol' scratch

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    What about a Kimber Model 82 Government? It was a military trainer, but I don't know if it was actually ever used. Single shot, competition sights, heavy Wilson barrel, heavy stock, slide stop and adjustable trigger.
     
  13. fireman 9731

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    Don't forget the Norinco Trainers. I have one and love it, its very similar to the Mauser trainers. Good sights, good trigger, 5rd detachable magazine, feels much more like a real rifle.

    This isn't my picture, but its the same gun. Mine has the original leather sling. I would love to find one of the bayonets made for them!
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  14. aarondhgraham

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    Hello fireman 9731,,,

    Hello fireman 9731,,,
    Many thanks for posting that picture of the Norinco.

    I own the WW-II K-98 Mauser that my uncle brought back,,,
    That Norinco would be a perfect match for my rifle.

    I've often made this comment in jest,,,
    But in this case it could be true.

    I would sell my dear sister to the Gypsies for one of those rifles.

    Another rifle to add to my Look-For-List.

    Thanks again.

    Aarond

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  15. Scooter22

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    Take a look at a Mossberg 44US. Was one of the main US trainers of WWII. The actual trainers will have US Property mark and s/n on them. Then Mossberg made commercial versions. The 44US a,b,c,or d. All very good guns also but often sold as military trainers. They also had a 144 that was also a US trainer and marked. But commercial version was available. There was a Mossberg Model 42M "Lend Lease" ordered by England for training. Many of these came back. Some original with English proof stamps and many modified by shooting clubs post war. Do reaserch befor buying a "trainer" many aren't and you'll spend double the money. Not knocking THR at all but RFC is dedicated to rimfires. I rely on both and they are excellent sites with great members. Good luck.
     
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    The one of those I had (and sold) was described to me later as being "booringly accurate" ... everything I pointed it at I hit...
     
  17. Scooter22

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    Yeah the older Mossberg .22s are some of the most underrated guns around. Once you get and shoot one you,ll wonder why. They were ahead of their time with feature. They were a real bargain up until 4-5 years ago but now the prices are up there. I'm glad I got all mine on the cheap.
     
  18. GunnyUSMC

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    Here are a few of mine

    TOZ 18
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    TOZ 17-01
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    KKW (K98 Trainer)
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    Polish Wz48 Trainer
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    M69 Romanian Trainer
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  19. StrawHat

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    I have a Springfield M1922 built in July of 1922. At some point in it's life it was converted to CF and chambered for the 22 Hornet. This was a very common conversion, often done at the Springfield Armory. Here is a photo of the rifle. A 22Rf will look the same.

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  20. kBob

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    Go to RimfireCentral.com then scroll down to Other Rimfires and to Military trainers. Those guys can be very serious and picture rich about military trainers.

    I looked at a Leatherneck last week that was so marked and not one Military mark on it.......but the shop keeper insisted it was a military trainer........
    and those guys at RFC would have had a cow if I had bought it and posted in their sub category.

    Shoot several of those guys already responded to you here.

    -kBob
     
  21. Onmilo

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    I have a Remington 541X still sealed in foil.
    Someday I will open it up if my 581 ever dies.
    You might look for one of these on the auction sites.
    Can be had for $300-$350 in used condition. HTH
     
  22. kimberkid

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    When I bought this H&R M512 from CMP it was listed as a trainer for the M40 I believe ... It came with iron sights but with my eyes being what they are, I had it drilled & tapped for a scope.

    HR_M512.jpg

    I've also got a Romanian RPK trainer that's a fun shooter if your interested in anything in semi-auto

    AK_Romanian_RPK_Trainer.jpg
     
  23. bannockburn

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    If I wanted a .22 trainer I think I would go looking for a Norinco TU-KKW.
     
  24. ZEN.45

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    I like my single shot Mauser DSM34 :

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  25. aarondhgraham

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    This is great,,,

    Thanks for all of the images gentlemen,,,
    They are widening my list of guns to look out for.

    That KKW trainer could be my grail rifle,,,
    Although that DSM looks suit my fancy as well,,,
    Either would look so fine cased with my venerable 8mm K-98.

    Keep 'em coming my friends,,,
    I'm learning more with each post.

    Aarond

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