I want to be "that guy" with one CCW weapon...

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Trey Veston, Nov 7, 2021.

  1. Rexster

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    Regarding safeties, my first handgun, almost 40 years ago, was a 1911, so, I became comfortable with a thumb safety. My next handgun system was S&W revolvers, later supplemented by Rugers. I later added DA/SA pistols, and was able to become comfortable with the differing operation of the slide-mounted thumb safety, because aligning the lever, with the target/opponent, was the same, with both the 1911 and the S&W/Walther slide-mounted safety.

    Something went wrong, however, when I added a Browning Hi-Power. Even though my BHP was a Mark III, with the extended safeties, I would, on occasion, miss the safety. Something about the ergonomics of the BHP was “telling” my thumb to lock-down, on the grip, rather than engage the safety lever. The BHP had to go away.

    Then, I decided to try a Colt Mustang, as a pocket pistol. I soon found that I was missing the thumb safety. It was not a matter of forgetting, but the safety lever, itself, being positioned in a way that required a very deliberate, “just so” placement of my thumb. The Mustang may have been a miniaturized 1911, in its handling, but, the thumb safety was just too close to my hand, for the thumb pad portion to be within the natural movement arc of my thumb. So, the Mustang was traded-away.

    I have handled several of the now-trendy striker-fired pistols, with thumb safeties. None of them “worked,” for me. It was immediately apparent, in each case, that I would be likely to miss the safety, due to its position being too close to the base of my thumb, or that I would be likely to fumble it.

    Yet, I still have no trouble using a normal-sized-1911 frame-mounted safety, or the slide-mounted safety on an S&W 39-series pistol. Notably, the Tasers, issued to me by my employer, have safety levers that operate like those on my S&W 39-series pistols, which is also like the safeties on classic Walthers, and the Beretta 92/M9 types. Test-firing the Tasers was required at the beginning of each shift, so, I had PLENTY of reinforcement of that conditioned reflex, until I retired in 2018.

    I had learned the 1911 safety, in the early Eighties, and the S&W/Walther/Beretta-type safety in the early Nineties. In 2001, airliners became weapons, in a new Global War, on US soil. The PD, for which I worked, had disallowed patrol rifles, in 1983, just before I was hired. Suddenly, after 9-11-2001, it became necessary to re-start a patrol rifle program. I had not grown up with M16/AR15/M4 rifles, but, if I wanted to carry a patrol rifle, I needed to become very familiar, at age 40, with either the Mini-14, or AR15/M4. The first available certification classes were to be taught with the AR15/M4 system rifles. I soon learned about the cognitive dissonance that can happen, when one carries one weapon system that is on-safe, when the safety/selector lever is aligned with the target/opponent, and, ready to fire, when the “Dingus is Down.”

    Once upon a time, “Don’t Get Caught With Your Dingus Down” was a useful way to remember that a weapon with the S&W/Walther/Beretta safety could not fire when the lever was pointed at the ground. Well, then, at age 40, I had to learn that my AR15A2 Govt Carbine WOULD FIRE while the Dingus was down, and was ON SAFE when the lever was aligned with the target. Deep. Sigh.
     
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  2. BreechFace

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    For self-defense I carry 3 guns. Could I pickup any of my guns and defend my life and those around me, sure. But we are habitual in our nature, and I like to stack the odds in my favor when the chips are down, so familiarity is key in my book.

    Everywhere Carry: 93% of the time Glock 48 with 15+1 of 9mm 135gr Hornady Critical Duty
    Hunting/Woods Carry: 5% of the time Glock 40 MOS 15+1 of 10mm 200gr Hardcast or 180gr Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claw
    Bikini Wear (aka clothing compromise carry): 2% of the time Ruger LCP 7+1 of 380 90gr FTX Critical Defense
     
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  3. GEM

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    Ditto on the safety discussion. It is an old one and controversial. I shoot a 1911 in matches quite a bit. I've dry fired and practiced taking the safety off, so I have it pretty well down. However, I decided that it's not a carry gun as it's a touch big for its capacity as compared to the Glocks (or another similar 9) and I don't want to take the chance of screwing up the safety. Under stress, your chance of messing up the safety is increased. There is anecdotally evidence of that and human factors research. Esp. relevant as mentioned above is when you have guns with different safety motions. It's in the professional literature.

    Yes, you have practiced with your safety in a calm environment and many have used the gun correctly but - it's another step that can go wrong. The difference is trigger pull and length of pull. We carry DA revolvers without a thought of a safety (although some systems exist). However, in matches I have seen very well trained folks forget the safety on a standard Beep/draw when they were going for time OR (this is important) if they had to deploy the gun from a nonstandard position as the normal draw motor program was not evoked. BTW, this happens with RDS when folks can't find the dot when not in their standard square range or competition beep start.

    Thus, I'm comfortable with drawing and carrying a standard striker 9mm without a safety. Just as folks sometimes argue for "Israeli" carry, it's not for me as I spent the time to get up to speed and don't need another error path in a life or death situation. I have a well known trainer friend who berated us after the Platt-Matix shoot out to carry 1911s as the 9mm round didn't do it at that time. Guess what, today - one of those evil guns that rhyme with block. LOL.
     
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  4. UncleEd

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    If a consensus exists here, it's not just one gun
    for concealed carry but a number of guns all
    with the same manual of arms. This was something
    John Bianchi argued for as an LA cop
    and holster maker. And the position of carry
    should be as nearly identical as possible.
     
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    It's pretty much a given that you will do in stress what you were taught or practiced.

    I carry either a G26 or a LCP, both no operator safeties other than the trigger. I tried a Sig 938 at the range, really liked it, but because of the type of safety, decided to stick with the type of gun I'd been trained on.

    I feel the operating systems on the G26 and the LCP are close enough that I'm comfortable carrying either one in a potentially stressful situation.
     
  7. GEM

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    Makes sense to me. The G26 is one of my EDC. With a ban state limit, right size, right capacity, right operating system. I had an LCP, which is reasonable but decided my pocket gun was a SW 432 in 32 HR mag for my own psychopathology.
     
  8. mcb

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    Practice the manual of arms for your carry gun but it does not have to be the same exact gun. ie When I was shooting and XD-40 Tactical in competition a lot my carry gun was an XD-40 Sub Compact and my woods gun an XD-40 Service. The shorter guns carried better than a full size but used the same manual of arms, similar trigger feel, similar sights. When I shot a lot of revolver in competition my competition gun was an N-frame, my woods gun a K-frame and my CCW a J-frame. That said I spent several years shooting both semi-autos and revolver in competition and never had and issue changing between them.
     
  9. Madcap_Magician

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    I would think that this is kind of a spectrum. Someone like Jerry Miculek, who is a talented shooter with nearly everything, whose hobby and job is shooting, can carry whatever he wants, because he has the time, resources, and interest to be competent in any type of firearm.

    But it might not be as wise for someone like me who only shoots once or twice a year to rotate carry guns every day between revolvers, striker-fired semiautos, DA/SA semiautos, and SA semiautos because I lack the time, money, and inclination to master all of them. In my case and in many people's cases, a small number of one type of gun may be most prudent.

    But if you want to be adventurous, then that's not really a hard reason not to. I mean, the fundamentals of marksmanship and the tactics and techniques of defensive shooting are the same regardless of whether you're shooting a Glock 19 or a Beretta 92 or a 1911.
     
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  10. bassjam

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    While theoretically I'd like to only have one carry gun, I've found that unrealistic. Most times I go out I have a 3" .357mag on my belt, but there's an lcp in my pocket is all I can have. While they're different firearm types, I chose each because they have DAO triggers and have nearly an identical natural point of aim for me. I have absolutely no use for more than 2 different conceal carry guns though.
     
  11. .455_Hunter

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    For me its three basic levels, none of which overlap very well:

    "Walking the dog to get the mail at night / hiking behind the house carry" = Typified by a 4" 629 loaded with 240 to 300 gr JSP/LFN, other full-size big-bore/magnum revolver, or large service auto (like a 1006 with full power ammo). We live in prime bear and cat territory, and such animals are realistically equivalent or greater in probability to any two-legged threat concern. Said OWB carried weapon can be carried under a sweatshirt or jacket for light concealment near sensitive audiences. Bear spray is also immediately accessible.

    "Everyday carry" = Pretty broad spectrum of possibility, but everything is pocket carried (I don't do IWB), and what fits can vary due to specific pants/shorts selection. Usually tops out at K-frame snub or Mak/3914/P239 size auto. I generally don't do any pre-energized firing mechanisms for pocket carry (no partially cocked striker or fully cocked striker / SA platforms).

    "NPE carry" = Where you are legal to carry, but social or policy restrictions make inadvertent discovery a BIG problem. This is where I go "deep concealment" with something like the NAA Mini, and accept an increase in deployment time and performance as a sacrifice for at least "being armed with something". Yes- It's not ideal, but necessary in some situations. Some of you may not experience these concerns. YMMV.

    One gun doesn't work for all of the above.
     
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  12. Hangingrock

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    Keep it simple stupid applies. MY EDC (Spring-Summer-Fall-Winter) is a S&W Shield 9X19mm.
     
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  13. Choctaw

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    Glock 19 for me. All seasons, all weather, on or off duty.
     
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  14. Zerodefect

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    If you carry your G23 90% of the time, it'll be like a extension of your hand. Take all of your training classes with it. Assuming that your whole hand fits on it adequately.

    At that point, you can carry anything the other 10% and lose nothing. I've gone through dozens of VERY expensive pistols. The G23.4 is the one I keep coming back to.

    I suggest a Crossbreed Supertuk for it. Bigfoot belt. Warren or Dawson sights. Agency arms magwell. Carver basepads. G34/35 trigger, flush cut. And a nice undercut on the trigger guard. That combo is the finest CCW I've tried.
     
  15. John Joseph

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    Ideally, yes I agree.
    But we don't live in an ideal world.
    Carry the most accurate and conceable shootin' iron you got and call it good.
     
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  16. Kleanbore

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    I holster the same 9mm pistol every day.

    But I do not live in a place in which bear, feral swine, and other worrisome creatures roam. Not that I would want to harm a bear, but if I considered the risk of stumbling upon a bear and her cubs to be greater than remote, I would don a different holster and fill it with a different gun.

    The one gun strategy can work very well for some people, but not for others.
     
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    for almost 30 years, living and working in gun-unfriendly locales, i was “that guy with one ccw.” mine was a taurus 85, five shot, steel, 38sp revolver with pachmayr grips, some plain vanilla fmj ball ammo and one speedloader. simple, reliable, user-friendly, handy. it came out once with intent when my car was mobbed during riots. because this one has sentimental value it is now tucked away and i got another 85 to carry and shoot regularly. now i have a couple of other favorite ccw choices. my two sons will eventually each inherit an old school 38sp snubbie, but they must draw lots for the one ccw that they never knew dad had to protect them all those years.
     
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  18. Lo-Profile

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    I've carried the same gun close to 15 years. I try others every once in a while, but I always go back to my Sig Sauer C3 1911.

    Doesn't mean I can't buy or shoot other guns.
     
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    I am too promiscuous with my carry guns to limit myself to one. But they all do have similar methods of operation.

    My experience is that you can safely be promiscuous with guns, but it is dangerous (and expensive) to do so with the ladies.

    BOARHUNTER
     
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  20. bassjam

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    I tried that, but shooting anything else 10% of the time felt more natural to me so that Glock pretty much always pointed high for me. I never could get muscle memory to account for that grip angle.
     
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    From my earlier thread here, I switch carry weapons as the weather changes.

    The key is practice.

    From carry, draw, reholster, Mag replacement and shooting, we all should stay proficient with the firearm we carry.
     
  22. RedlegRick

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    Not a problem with me at all. Of course, my needs are different than others, but my PF-9 works for me 99% of the time. For me is was budgetary first, then legal (NYS 7 round limit), and lastly my own preference not to have a lot of hardware to contend with. If I need more or a larger platform, I have my Glock, if I need more power, my SP-101, and my spare carry is that marginal P22 I snivel about all the time.
     
  23. Zerodefect

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    A common problem. If you'd like, rotating your whole support hand wrist forward pointing your thumb straight at the target, seems to alleviate that issue. Can be done because a Glock is perfectly flat. No levers in the way. Any time I pick up a perfectly flat pistol, this grip is automatically applied now.

    Works for some people. I can go back and forth between Glock, 1911, and CZ. For USPSA, I'd have to get a full days shooting to transition completely, before I was synched up to the new pistol.
     
  24. 375supermag

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    Hi...
    For decades I carried exactly on firearm for concealed carry...a Springfield Armory 1911A1 in .45ACP. I had a few other handguns but never conceal carried them.
    Eventually I augmented my conceal carry options by acquiring a nickel Colt Combat Commander in .45ACP.
    About a year later, I took a chance on a Taurus .44Spl that turned out to be a very god little revolver that very occasionally finds it's way into my coat pocket on quick trips to the convenience store.

    I recently purchased a Rock Island 1911 in .45ACP that may someday find it's into my carry rotation.

    When I hike or hunt, I often carry a large caliber revolver, sometimes concealed and sometimes in open carry. Usually one of my S&W N frames in .357Mag, .41Mag, .45Colt or .44Mag, but sometimes one of my Ruger BlackHawks in the same chamberings with the added option of a couple of Flat tops in .44Spl. I have other options as well including a nice selection of Dan Wesson revolvers as well as several Uberti/Cimarron SAA clones in various calibers.


    I feel quite confident in my ability to use any of them effectively. I practice with all of them regularly, including doing speed drills on multiple steel plates at 7 and 15yds and shooting with my weak (left) hand.
     
  25. .455_Hunter

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    Some people are capable of learning how to operate multiple styles of firearms in a stress scenario, some people are not so capable. If you are concerned about being in the second group, limiting your carry choices can make sense. Whatever you do, make sure you are intimately familiar with the platforms you do intend to utilize for carry purposes.
     
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