Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by datasmith, Nov 8, 2018.
S&W made a single shot in the 1920's that looks similar but it has been a while since I saw it.
I'll take Advanced Homebuilt for $300, Alex.
Novel design, clean machine work and good blue indicate an inventive and skilled worker.
Socket head screws indicate a relatively recent project.
Ergonomic details indicate a careful worker who is not a serious shooter.
The grip shape is off a Stevens single shot, perhaps crossed with a Bisley Colt, a plan which was abandoned a long time ago.
The rear sight in the middle of the locking bar is not likely to give a clear sight picture.
WOW! We do get personal don't we Shanghai...
Or Joss Wheden would put it in Firefly. Or Tinker would build it.
Looks like a Borshardt design to me.
And I would buy it in a NY minute.
It is amazing condition too.
"Or Tinker would build it."
I thought the same thing.
Nah, not a tinker project. Barrel is too long, shoots too few rounds, condition is too nice, and it's too rare.
Interesting piece. You may want to research early models of Smith& Wesson, H&R, Weber, Webly& Scott and Scott. I’ve tried searching under European .22 Single Shot Target Pistols, Russian Target Pistols and Antique .22 Target Pistols and saw quite a few with similar designs, but none matching what you have posted. Good luck searching and maybe some one will chime in and tell you what It is.
If it came out of Germany, or went into Germany, or was made in Germany, it was proofed and there should be proof marks. Proof marks can be used to determine a Kaiser era firearm, a Nazi era, and a post WW2 era. Show some proof marks and we can make a better guess as to the age.
Obviously the arm is not in my hands to see this, but I'm guessing no proofs. There might be some, but this is my guess. And Wikipedia (I know, I know) says that hex heads have been around since 1910. Not popular, but around. Also, the screws could have been replaced easily enough. We are dealing with something relatively rare, so we cannot discount the usage of "odd" fasteners. If it was built in 1920, Allen screws would not have been normal, but they were somewhat available (I don't know how available in Germany, but probably could have been figured out by a tinkerer in a machine shop or an engineer in charge of some sort of prototyping).
To the OP: I think you will get very good advice from the folks at the Royal Armouries:
They have one of the largest gun and armour collections in the world and have helped me identify obscure firearms in the past.
I am only guessing here, but if that pivot tightens down by means of the screw, you could get some adjustment by rotating the sight. The problem is, the more you rotate it, the narrower the rear aperture appears, so this would only work if it was fairly wide to begin with (relative to the front sight).
Good question. I can see some casting "circles" on the frame in the photo with the action open.
OP, can the owner take the grip panels off? There may be some markings underneath.
It was a joke, man, sorry if you took it personal.
Rear sight adjustment?
Well it IS ugly.
I'm not sure what your "casting circles" are for sure, but I see a circle around the chamber. It is possible that the barrel and... receiver? What would you call that? Anyway, the barrel might be pressed into that hinge-y piece.
And can you blue zamak? Is it blue or some sort of enamel paint?
And if it is blue, it is absolutely gorgeous. Especially for a gun that might be half a century or more old.
I thought that sounded like His Dudeness.
Are you referring to the "Straight Line"? It does pivot, but the barrel doesn't break vertically. That isn't it, but I can see where you are coming from.
OK, he sent me some more pictures. While the gun is in real good condition, there is just a little bit of bluing wear on the front hinge and the back ring. Also the hex screws on the bottom show some usage marks. Still since he acquired in the late sixties, sure looks good for being over 50 years old.
Is it worth offering $500 for it? Never bought a gun I couldn't find a price for.
Does the stamping on the heel say “1944”?
Allen screws were patented in 1910. So it is possible that the 1944 date is correct.
Well I think its pretty, and definitely well made. No tinkerer made that. but....I have no idea. Probably accurate as heck, too. The bias stemming from my German heritage says it definitely has a germanic origin.
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