Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

I want to make BIG FIRE, need recipe

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by HighVelocity, Nov 10, 2007.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. HighVelocity

    HighVelocity Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2005
    Messages:
    2,176
    Location:
    IDPA junkie in DFW, TX
    My local IDPA club is having a "low light" (aka pitch dark) match on Thursday and I want to make the biggest fireball possible (within safe specs) using my 10mm handloads. What I have to work with is 180gr Ranier plated hp's and either Bullseye, Clays or Unique powder. Since I have never used my 10mm in the dark before, I have no idea which will produce the biggest muzzle flash. If none of the powders I listed are good for this, what powder do you recommend?

    Thanks,
    Gary
     
  2. pistolman1974

    pistolman1974 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2006
    Messages:
    66
    Location:
    Saint louis
    From what I've heard/heard alliant power pistol has a pretty large muzzle flash.
     
  3. kart racer

    kart racer Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2004
    Messages:
    482
    Power pistol would be the choice and you might have found a new favorite for 10mm.
     
  4. Slamfire

    Slamfire Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2006
    Messages:
    7,579
    Location:
    Alabama
    Every ball powder I have used has had a greater muzzle blast that any other powder type.

    I have shot in other calibers, Bullseye and Unique. Those are not fire ball powders.
     
  5. zxcvbob

    zxcvbob Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2007
    Messages:
    5,061
    Location:
    S.E. Minnesota
    I don't shoot 10mm, but I think 10 grains of Blue Dot or 12.5 grains of 2400 ought to do it.
     
  6. RecoilRob

    RecoilRob Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2003
    Messages:
    1,465
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Of the powders you list, I'd say that Unique would have the largest flash. But, I've shot many thousand 180grn 10MM's over 10.5grns of BlueDot and they make a pretty bright flash...even in broad daylight.

    Looking at the loading manuals, AA7 takes more powder than BlueDot and might make even more flash.

    Theatrics aside, why would you want to blind yourself at a night shoot?
     
  7. HighVelocity

    HighVelocity Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2005
    Messages:
    2,176
    Location:
    IDPA junkie in DFW, TX
    I've shot quite a few night matches and big muzzle flash has never affected my shooting. In the past I've shot a 357mag snub, 357 sig and compact 45, all with full power defensive ammo.
    These are just local matches, no trophy's, low round count and the targets are no more then 15 yards away.

    I'm in it for the fun. The closer my ammo can get to artillery shells, the better. :evil:
     
  8. SDC

    SDC Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2003
    Messages:
    3,116
    Location:
    People's Republic of Canada
    Generally, those powders with the slowest burning rates have the worst muzzle flashes, and going by this chart ( http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html ), Blue Dot should fit your bill. My manuals show several loads for 180-grain bullets with this powder.
     
  9. RB98SS

    RB98SS Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2007
    Messages:
    348
    Location:
    MN
    Blue Dot flashes waaaay more than 2400 in my .44 Can you use H110 in 10mm? That's the best.
     
  10. only1asterisk

    only1asterisk member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2003
    Messages:
    2,412
    Power Pistol would be my first choice.

    David
     
  11. Floppy_D

    Floppy_D Member In Memoriam

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2007
    Messages:
    2,156
    Location:
    NAS Pensacola
    Nice link, SDC. Good site.
     
  12. trueblue1776

    trueblue1776 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2005
    Messages:
    2,050
    Location:
    Alabama
    Drop down to 135gr and use a magnum shotgun powder. :D
     
  13. EBRDude

    EBRDude Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2004
    Messages:
    130
    Location:
    Southern Indiana
    I shot my 10mm last weekend with 11gr Blue Dot over 155gr GDHP in Starline cases, and the fireball was about 12" in daylight.
    I have yet to shoot one at night.
    AA#9 did not flash that I could see with even larger powder amounts.
    Never used Power Pistol, as no one carries it locally.
     
  14. bpisler

    bpisler Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    1,386
    Location:
    Phoenix,az
    I'am surprised by the amount of flash
    i see from 7 grains of titegroup when
    loaded with a 125gr 357magnum.But i
    can feel the heat from 18 grains of
    H-110 with the same bullet.
     
  15. sublimaze41

    sublimaze41 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2007
    Messages:
    583
    Location:
    Peoples Republic of Western New York
    I like to shoot Blue Dot out of my .357 and it smokes and flashes a bunch!
     
  16. Steve Koski

    Steve Koski Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2004
    Messages:
    429
    Location:
    Utah
    Blue Dot would be my first choice for flash. (outside of 500 Mag loads, which I fired at a nigh match once)
     
  17. CZ223

    CZ223 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2006
    Messages:
    1,672
    Blue Dot

    hands down for smokeless powders. But why not have a little fun and load some up with some FFg Black powder, the real thing not a sub. Just fill the case up about an eigth of an inch from the top and stuff that baby right down there. You fire about ten rounds of that and it should get some real attention.:D Trust me you won't come close to the pressures you are used to so it will be safe. Bring a little windex with vinigar with you and a couple patches to run down the bore and wipe the gun down. You can shoot your other loads after this and just clean the gun the way you normally would and wipe with a little oil at the bare minimum. Yes, I would do it.:evil::evil:
     
  18. langenc

    langenc Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2006
    Messages:
    926
    Location:
    Montmorency Co, MI
    Flash will be the same night/day but way more noticible at NIGHT..

    Hope you and other shooters are SAFE// Safety FIRST-theatrics LAST.
     
  19. zxcvbob

    zxcvbob Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2007
    Messages:
    5,061
    Location:
    S.E. Minnesota
    Will black powder cycle the action of a automatic with strong springs?

    (I just may have to find out in my 9mm, using FFF.) ;)
     
  20. Wil Terry

    Wil Terry Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    1,129
    Location:
    Black Hills, South Dakota, USA
    If You're Asking This For The Reason I Think You're Asking This,

    You have not thought this through far enough !!!!
    You are in for a BIG surprise but I will NOT spoil it for you.
     
  21. HighVelocity

    HighVelocity Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2005
    Messages:
    2,176
    Location:
    IDPA junkie in DFW, TX
    Thanks for all the tips. I did not have a chance to buy blue dot and load up any 10mm before last night. Maybe next time...
     
  22. brentn

    brentn Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2007
    Messages:
    870
    Location:
    Canada
    Bob, I would love to see that hahaha. Considering that my BP pistol has virtually no recoil, i would 'assume' that a 9mm load of fffg would not cycle the action lol. But it would be interesting to see the folks at the range and their faces when you do shoot a round :D
     
  23. jr_roosa

    jr_roosa Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2007
    Messages:
    980
    Location:
    Denver, CO
    I'm trying to think of the way to best communicate a really bad idea that I have in my head without somebody's lawyer coming to knock on my door with a bill for a long stay in the burn unit, lost wages, pain-and-suffering, and a new pistol. My recommendation is that nobody should use anything but commercial ammunition if they don't want to get hurt.

    Anyway, after you read this article, what bad ideas do you think of?

    http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa062701a.htm

    -J.
     
  24. IMtheNRA

    IMtheNRA Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,128
    Black powder? Really? :confused:

    I think BP is known for it's nasty fouling. Would the gun get very, very dirty quickly?

    Just for fun, are there any safe loads published for .357mag, .44mag, or 500S&W and jacketed/plated bullets?
     
  25. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2006
    Messages:
    22,095
    Location:
    Northeast PA, USA
    I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Hodgdon Longshot yet. Most of the other powders mentioned are good powders but not really Flamethrowers. Someone mentioned H110 and if it were recommended for the 10mm that would be my choice but it's not. Longshot is just a little faster than H110 and will give you the Flamethrower you are looking for. The added benefit is, you will make easily power and it's also accurate. I load 9mm and .38 Special +P rounds with Longshot.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page