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I was asked to do a review on a new whiz bang SD ammo...

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by armoredman, Jun 12, 2019.

  1. armoredman

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    Sent to me pretty much out of the blue, so, like Winger said in Stripes, I got some people and relics and I did it.

    This is Part One. Part Two should be more fun. I am making no money whatsoever off this, just having fun.

    Edit to add, I'm not trying to promote my forum here, it's just part of the intro, sorry. :( If mods wish to delete it's understood.

     
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  2. Pat Riot

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    Interesting. Thanks for the report.
     
  3. JR24

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    Not surprising results but entertaining video, thanks for posting
     
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    "earth shattering"

    Plus shell shock "brass
     
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    Im comfortable depending on 178gr FMJ out of my Enfield at 625fps, so a HP weighing the same (slightly more in fact) which properly expands and is travelling 850-950fps sounds pretty good to me. I plan on trying some in my L9.
     
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    200 fps slower than 135 gr Hornady, which is a proven ammo and is often under $20 for 25 rds. I'll withold judgement until I've seen some penetration and gel tests to see how the bullet expands, but I have a feeling they will not work well in 3 inch subcompact barrels.

    And for the price and inevitable difficulty of finding this ammo, I'm leaning to say it's not worth it.
     
  7. armoredman

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    The Critical Duty is my carry ammo, actually, the ones we chronoed were left over from swapping out old to new carry ammo. :)
    We have a plan to try the others in some different penetration tests. We'll see what happens, and put it all on video for you.
     
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  8. TTv2

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    Cool, if you want to do me a solid, try out some of this whizbang .380 ammo in an LCP or similar pocket pistol. Everybody tests the ammo with the flutes cut into the bullet, but I have a feeling the solid nose bullets will work all the same given how light the projectiles are.

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/7...cp-60-grain-rnp-frangible-lead-free-box-of-50
     
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    Unfortunately I don't own a .380 and the only reason I am doing this stuff is because the company sent it to me, literally out of the blue. That stuff looks like a lo of sintered metal frangibles we had at my range way back in the day.
     
  10. Goosey

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    I remember this company and their super extra momentum ammo. I'm mildly interested to see how they do, but I don't believe super-super-heavy does much special.

    The infographics they had at SHOT Show were pure quackery:

    So either they got basic physics completely wrong, or their 185 gr 9mm at an advertised 950 (PF 176) has the same ability to damage the target as a 55 gr bullet going 3200 fps from a .223 (also PF 176).

    Lmao! :D
     
  11. TTv2

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    We both know there's a lot more to it than that, but the point of this ammunition was to launch heavier projectiles that previously would have required larger calibers, guns, or longer cases to do that. I do have to ask tho what is it that a 185 grain 9mm or 300 grain .45 are going to do vs 147 or 230 grain standard ammo and when exactly is that extra mass going to be needed?

    If we're talking bear and other large predator protection, I still wouldn't trust a 300 grain .45 ACP going 700 fps like I would a 300 grain .45 Colt going 1100 fps from a revolver.

    Where I could see this heavy projectile ammo actually finding use would be in calibers like .25, .32, and .380 ACP. The issue with the pocket gun calibers has always been penetration and given the nature of this type of ammo I can't see how the company making it couldn't get a 60 grain JHP .25 or 100 grain JHP .32 to expand and penetrate 10 or 12 inches from mouseguns like the Beretta 950 or Kel Tec P32.

    It's like that Inceptor ammo company that makes the copper/polymer frangible bullets with the flutes cut in the nose of the bullet to use rotational force as a means to disperse energy. We didn't need that ammo in calibers like .357, .40, and .45 as there are plenty of choices that work for those calibers, but in .380 or 9mm snub revolvers where barrel length reduces velocity enough to give hollow points trouble in expanding, that's where the niche was that ammo could fill. Unfortunately the bullets are so light they can't do anything in anything smaller than .380, so that's the niche I could see this heavy ammo finding success.

    Is the company going to do that? Absolutely not because the market for .25's and .32 semi auto pocket pistols has all but died the past 20 years and there won't be any money in it.
     
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    And Part Two. We will never be as slick as the big name reviewers, but it was certainly fun.

     
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