...I was frisked...

[Jimmy Dean]

Yeah I gave him permission, with a pretty good chuckle on my part. I just found the whole situation...weird I mean, if I had a knife in my pocket (which I did) and he didnt realize it during the frisk (it was behinda pack of smokes incidentally) would he really be worried about it?

It was all part of the ussual wth are you carryinga gun for speech i get from local LEOs regularly.

At least the places where I carry are geting used to it, the wal mart greeters no longer mention it, gas station attendants no longer pay me any mind. Do still get the occasional long look from the girls at the register in the grocery store.....but then again, that may be cause of my dashingly good looks

 

[fearless leader]

He thought your boots were sexy! I had to stop typing and finnish laughing. Thanks, I needed a good laugh!

 

[fatguynlittlecoat]

Maybe he was lonely and just wanted a little kiss from you?

 

[F4GIB]

His ego need a boost so he decided to jack you around -- just because he can.

FWIW, Terry requires more than a desire to be safe. The officer has to be able to "articulate" something about the subject that causes him to suspect BOTH that the person might be engaged in criminal activity AND that he might be dangerous. OC hardly seems to qualify.

Here's a discussion from the FLETC (where all the non-FBI feds are trained):

Okay. Let’s start with Terry Stops. A Terry Stop, as you know, is an investigative detention of a suspect. We can conduct one with reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is a foot. An agent can stop a suspect and investigate that person for a reasonable period of time. And, even though that’s not a formal arrest, it is a seizure. The suspect’s not free to leave during that Terry Stop. The agent’s going to control that stop and can even use reasonable force to stop the suspect and keep him there while the agent does his investigation.

Now in addition to a Terry Stop, there’s another legal tool that’s similar, it’s called a Terry Frisk. After legally detaining the suspect in that Terry Stop, if the agent ADDITIONALLY has reasonable suspicion that the suspect is presently armed and dangerous, then the agent can conduct a limited search of that suspect’s outer clothing for weapons. Now weapons are basically anything that can be used to hurt the officer. So the search is going to be limited to searching for hard objects that the suspect could use to hurt the officer like guns, pocket knives, mace, clubs, … it’s not limited to just those things we ordinarily think are weapons. It could also be things like car keys or pens because those could hurt an officer as well.

More at http://www.fletc.gov/training/progr...h-amendment-transcripts/terry-stop-frisk.html

 

[Titan6]

This is one of the many reasons that open carry is so great. LEOs are so very used to equating guns with trouble that thier minds almost shut down when faced with open carry. Over time if we have more open carry they may adjust and realize that it is not the gun that is the problem.

 

[Mainsail]

Where did this happen, Peru?

For suspicion of what crime was he detaining you?

 

[Jimmy Dean]

for suspiscion of no crime I would imagine. That tends to be how they do things up here. That is some of what I am tryin to work on changing.

 

[Tim Burke]

I have bad news for you, Jimmy. You're engaged, now.

 

[geekWithA.45]

You know, that's a *fascinating* question.

It would seem to me that the justification for the Terry search would indeed go poof! in the presence of a blatantly armed individual.

I believe it's also well established that being openly armed in jurisdictions that don't prohibit it does not create probable cause.

I'm gonna toss this fascination question over to some legal type folks.


It's also possible he was simply leaving his mark, like a dog urinating on a post.

I have noticed that humans like to play various domination games, like "sure, you're armed, but I can still lay hands on you at will".

 

[Cannonball888]

Do you look like a Midnight Cowboy?

 

[Pax Jordana]

soooo, who else here has dual membership at THR and closetcops.com?

really! it never gets old!

I'm following this one. Geek, if you get an answer, be a pal and share it.

(y'know, if what we're all saying is true, cop bashing isn't only against THR rules, it may now be a hate crime)