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I was shocked by Gen. Teddy Roosevelt Jr.

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  1. GEM

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    The son of the President, he led the landings on Utah Beach on D-Day and received the Medal of Honor.

    However, he said:
    So if you puff up and pontificate when someone says 'clip', show your Medal of Honor and the beaches you landed upon.
     
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    Well, he didnt specifically say the pistol in question was a 1911 or 1903. Perhaps it was a 1912 Steyr, or a Broomhandle battlefield pickup- which actually DO use clips........;)
     
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    I read a book once of personal interviews in chronological order leading up to, during, and after D-Day. There were a few eyewitness accounts of Gen. Roosevelt Jr. on Omaha Beach. Though in not the best of heath, IIRC, was larger than life in action.
     
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    (I posted this last June in another thread)
    <-----My dad was a Korean War vet and called all pistol and rifle magazines "clips". When the internet edjumicated me that nomenclature was wrong, I corrected my Dad, he said "maybe you need to go to basic training at Camp Chaffee and tell the Drill Sgt". I shut my pie hole.
     
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  5. 1KPerDay

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    Most people called mags clips until relatively recently, when we got an extra dose of holier-than-thou smugness along with our mastery of the intarwebs. I'm not telling a WWII vet that actually he didn't mow down a bunch of Nazis with a Thompson loaded with clips.
     
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    I always felt that one should not get their panties into a wad over semantics. So long as the message was communicated, that's all that counts. This is about story telling and hystery and not a court of law where definitions are argued infinitum.
     
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    This is an old and tired argument about terminology. So tell me are the below clips or magazines and if they are magazines why did the guys who made them call them clips?
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    Savage manufactured the above in a variety of calibers. The above were for a bolt action 30-30 Winchester. Savage 340, 840 and 325 in addition to a pile of Savage manufactured guns marketed by Revelation and other names. I always figured the guys who made it must have known what it was and they seem to want to call it a clip.

    Ron
     
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    So - just because Savage called the "round holder thing" that they manufactured a clip , you say it's a clip?

    Where is your evidence?
     
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    We're arguing over minutiae and semantics.

    Meanwhile, a not insignificant number of people are trying to strip our rights away.
     
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    Amen Brother...or should I say awomen?
     
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    Um, I think you ment "square holder thingy".... its clearly not round ;)
     
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    In my mind I did gymnastics at this point. I was already being a bit snarky about it being an en-bloc clip for a garand, but my mind also saw the word pistol and immediately went to GARAND PISTOL? Oh Hell Yes!!! So, m1 garand pistol in 30-06, barrel ending right in front of the sling swivel, lopped off stock, pistol brace with folding or collapsing mechanism (think m1 carbine paratrooper) all done up in walnut and parkerizing and being period correct. That is a fantasy weapon of all fantasy weapons.

    I could not get my mind off of this and found something similar to what I was envisioning.
    Photo snagged from Reddit. Anybody packing this is a bad m------------- for sure.
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    If you took part in the D-Day invasion or served in our military in any capacity you've more than earned the right to call a magazine a clip. I think I'll just say thank you and not correct your grammar. :)
     
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    230RN The fix is in, folks. The fix is in.

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    I mentioned before that following that protocol, the word would be awomwomwomwomwomwom.... ad infinitum.

    I think the stiffnecked insistence on differentiating "clip" from "magazine" is a result of authoritarian personnel insisting on it, and various recruits subordinates getting it stuck in their minds. Or else.

    I still occasionally slip and call them "clips" when speaking of "magazines" and if you call me on it, I'll just laugh at you.

    As a matter of, say, 18 months or so ago, I saw an ad by a well-known firearms manufacturer where a "magazine" was called a clip.

    (They may have done this to see if people were reading their ad. I've seen that ploy before. I always suspected that was the case where an illustration showed cartridges inserted backwards in a magazine. Caused quite a bit of free publicity. Or bullets in a clip, hardy-har-har-har..)

    Terry, 230RN
     
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    Its a word and we know what he means.
     
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    There’s correct nomenclature and incorrect nomenclature. Would I have corrected T. Roosevelt Jr.? No. Would I correct Jr. next door who is just learning to shoot? Yes. An old person isn’t going to give gun owners a bad name by calling something, something it isn’t. The guy next door will.

    If we won’t (politely) correct the guy next door, why do we make such a fuss about correcting legislators and news anchors about “assault weapons”?
     
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    I think we should be more worried about the people that call every scope - sighted rifle a "Sniper Rifle".
     
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    Naw, not at all. I call it the round holder thing or occasionally round holder thingy. :)

    Ron
     
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    Sooo many vet interviews and memoirs call pistol and SMG and carbine magazines “clips”.
     
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    Every kid who plays video games does this. Doesn't mean they're bad people. Just ignorant.
     
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    Well you see, the problem is that it's not just kids, it's adults too.
     
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    The man went in as a Brigadier General leading his soldiers on D-Day with the first wave on to Utah Beach. He’s earned the right to call it any damn thing he wants.

    Think I’ll go reload some .45 ‘Long Colt’ now.
     
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    Was it Utah, I wasn't sure.
     
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    Beach is correct but I had the wrong rank. Fixed it in my original post. While BG Roosevelt landed on Utah beach, his son Quinten landed on Omaha. You could say this family was ‘All in’.
     
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    When people I respect or who do not in any way present themselves as firearms knowledgeable call it a “clip”, I indulge them and remain silent. When ignorant politicians attempting to regulate firearms or “that guy” who pretends he knows all there is to know about guns call it a clip, I smugly correct them and taunt them in direct proportion to their level of inanity.
     
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