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I went to the range today, something wrong with my technique? (pics)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Dave88LX, Feb 19, 2007.

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  1. Dave88LX

    Dave88LX Member

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    Hey all,

    I recently bought a Springfield Armory XD9 service (4") model. Everything I've read about it points to being a great gun, and it is comfortable in my hand. It's my first handgun. No lessons or anything, just trying to read what I can about shooting, and apply it. I shot it once before, with my buddy, just "at" things, not target shooting.

    I'm wondering what I might be doing wrong.

    You can see at both the 3, 7, and 15 yard targets, I'm shooting low/left, and of course more spread as I get further back. Ignore the hole that's in the top/right of the paper on multiple targets...that was an accident from another target in front of this one. :) I also gave 1-handed shooting a try at 3 and 7 yds, didn't bother with 15 yds yet.

    Aside from "aim up and right", what do you think I might be doing wrong? I don't know if it's just my aim, or if I'm pulling the gun in that direction...

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  2. CNYCacher

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    I don't know where this comes from, and have no experience with it, but perhaps it will help?

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  3. XeRoFuN

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    Looks like you may be "milking." Which is, when your trigger finger closes on the trigger, your other fingers begin to close as well (like tightening your grip). You should also see where the tip of your finger is laying on the trigger..too much could make you move the gun enough to make you shoot low and to the left. It could also be a flinch. Practice dry firing and even mix some in with live fire and see if you flinch.
     
  4. Hardtarget

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    everything I thought has been posted.Good luck with your practice sessions!
     
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  5. JCF

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    Assuming you are shooting from a standing position, check to ensure that you are bringing the gun up to eye level as opposed to bringing your head down to the gun... which will play hell with your perception of your sight/target relationship.
     
  6. Guy B. Meredith

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    You haven't mentioned anything about your shooting experience or training. Are you familiar with sight picture, making the front sight the main focus, etc?

    Shooting 7:00 usually indicated recoil anticipation in the case of a right hand shooter.
     
  7. rangerruck

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    are you lefty?
     
  8. IDriveB5

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    Take a look at this video:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4584332856867071363

    I think the #1 thing that has helped improove my shooting is concentration. If I concentrate on that front sight all the way up to during and after the shot, it seems my group sizes are remarkably smaller.

    HTH
     
  9. Guy B. Meredith

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    IDriveB5 is correct. Shooting is like golf--keep your eye on the ball until it hits down. One of my worst habits is looking away at the last moment--really need to watch where the front sight is until the bullet is well down range.
     
  10. Dave88LX

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    Nice chart! I was given this one too:
    http://www.sportshooter.com/images/correction_chart.GIF

    I guess I'm tightening my fingers too much. I read somewhere I'm supposed to squeeze hard before I start my trigger pull, that way my fingers are already clenched, so it doesn't yank the gun. Maybe I'm not doing that tight enough?

    I will have to double-check where my trigger finger is resting, but I thought I was on the fingertip pad.

    I have no shooting experience or training (aside from AR-15 that we do annually...military).

    Like the M-16, I've been trying to keep the front sight in focus. Then, equal daylight on either side of the sight, and all even across the top.

    I'm righty.

    I will check out the video thank you!
     
  11. thexrayboy

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    Excellent video. Live demonstration mixed with explanation is an excellent teaching/learning tool.
     
  12. IDriveB5

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    Yeah, that was a great find and I'm rather thankful to whoever linked me to that video a few months ago.

    Dave88LX(5.0L?)- When I shoot handgun, I tend to have a pretty tight grip and try to do everything in that video with the exception of trigger finger placement, I use the first joint (when shooting my 686 in double action). No formal training here, so take my advice for what its worth.
     
  13. Dave88LX

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    I will give it a shot next time out. Probably tomorrow.:uhoh:

    Yep, 5.0. I've got an '87 coupe also that I'm in the process of building a 351W for, with a single T-76 turbo kit for it. Have all the parts, just need to build it.
     
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    Thanks Idrive that video id sweet. I alled about a lesson on friday thae guy never called back.
     
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    I found that when i shoot and use just my finger tip to squeeze the trigger that i'm more accurate. when your hand is flat up against the gun and you squeeze the trigger, the muscles in your hand react. Try this. Take your shooting hand, now put your pointer finger from your other hand right on the pad of your hand at the base of your trigger finger. now move your trigger finger like your squeezing the trigger. Feel the movement?
    If you line your finger tip up with the edge of the trigger and dont go through, you can arch your finger, and pull that part of the pad of your hand off the weapon. and it seems to make it not pull as badly. Try it with a snap cap and watch a specific target.
     
  16. RTFM

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    Those charts are great, bu remember there is a right hand and a left hand chart.

    If you can't find the lefty chart (on the net somewhere) read the offered right as a mirror.

    IE: Thumbing at 3 O'clock would move to the 9 O'clock position, 1 O'clock Heeling swaps with 11 O'clock pushing etc etc etc....

    EDIT: WOW! what a great video. Had not seen that before. Good post. Thanks.


    RTFM
     
  17. ZeSpectre

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    I'm a lefty and shoot an XD-40 but I had the same issue (mirrored) with mine. In my case moving my trigger finger from the "pad" to the first joint (I guess people call it the "power crease") tightened everything up for me. It's a little weird for me because the XD's trigger is the ONLY one I have to do that with.
     
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    A training tip that might help. Get some snap caps / dummy rounds, and mix those in with real ammo in your magazine in some random order.

    When you go to shoot and there's a dummy round, you'll be able to do two things:
    1) See if you flinching. If the sight picture moves at all, you are anticipating recoil and flinching.
    2) You can practice a malfunction drill known as Tap-Rack-Bang.

    I suggest some formal training as well. Best money you can spend to improve your shooting.

    HTH. :D
     
  19. Gunpacker

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    Not that it could be all of your trouble, but I would throw away that ammo or at least not shoot it in that gun.
    Your shots show a definite tumbling and wide throwing of shots due to unstable bullets. The holes that are close to round show irregular tears at various angles of the clock, a few are oblong, and 2 on separate targets are way out at 2:00 hitting sideways. That type of instability can cause a terrible target where the shooting is perfectly well executed.
    I had to look closely to see that the sideways bullets at 2:00 were not the same target. They are so perfectly aligned that I cannot believe they were fired separately and hit there coincidentally.
    Try another target. Your first shows a reasonable group, that in no way should open up as much as it does without widely divergent bullet behavior. Even the flyers in the first group could have been caused by poorly stabilized bullets at close range. I have usually seen this in reloads. Most factory ammo is reasonably stable in any gun.
    Good luck, keep trying for improvement. Just don't blame yourself for things beyond your cause.
    In saying this, I am assuming that your target was not blowing around and causing the bullets to hit sideways to the paper.
     
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    This is what's wrong:

    I recommend taking some Basic Handgun classes and work your way up. Owning is one thing, accuracy & proficiency is another.
     
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    Something I've learned recently - the importance of the surprise trigger break. I've been shooting for a little over 2 years, and my targets typically look like yours or worse. I looked at the diagnostic targets, read a lot about sight picture etc, but I still had problems. During the last trip to the range I realized that I was focusing on the trigger, almost anticipating when it was going to let up.

    I made a conscious effort to instead focus on the front sight, and more than a few times I was surprised when the gun went off, and the bullet struck the point-of-aim.
     
  22. Dave88LX

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    Yeah that was a mistake...I'm sorry I forgot to mention that. I accidentally shot through my whole pack of targets, it was behind another target I was aiming at. Hey, learned that lesson real quick, know what's behind your target! ;)

    I'm shooting Winchester White Box and CCI Blazer.
     
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    I have found that a ton of dry firing while concentrating on the front sight and keeping it immobile throughout the trigger pull - hammer drop - follow up, works wonders for me.
     
  24. Lupinus

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    work on just moving your trigger finger andn ot all of them. It's hard to do as your fingers are preprogramed to close together. Also how tight are you holding it?

    To be honest though aside from shooting a little off center you didn't do to bad if you are just learning handguns. I'm by no means an expert myself but I can hit the broadside of a bard, your targets look better then some of my first handgun targets to be sure
     
  25. El Tejon

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    "Guys say, 'every gun I've hand shoots low and to the left, dumb guns.'" Clint Smith, Director, Thunder Ranch.

    As Guy and others posted, you are likely anticipating the recoil and mashing the trigger. (The gun wants to go up and to the right, you are mashing it down and to the left). The Crock has a tricky trigger and it takes time to become familiar with. Don't worry, you're doing great.:)

    Dry practice and lot of it. When you notice you are starting to mash, unload the weapon on the line and dry practice. A .22 may help. Classes are beneficial as well. Good shooting. :)
     
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