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IANSA never sleeps, another gauntlet thrown

Discussion in 'Legal' started by K-Romulus, Aug 29, 2006.

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  1. K-Romulus

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    After losing big at the UN earlier this summer, the IANSA crowd is busy with its latest attempt at "global norms" against private firearms ownership. This time it's in the form of a UN Human Rights Council push to declare nations that don't license gun owners as "human rights violators."

    From today's IANSA main page: http://www.iansa.org/index.htm

    When these "human rights" principles get ratified by the UN Human Rights Council in the near future, they become "international law." Want to see fun? Wait until the Brady campaign files its first lawsuit in The Hague!:eek:

    (Overview of the sub-committee's activities: http://www.iansa.org/issues/UNhumanrights.htm)

    Here is the gauntlet (from that overview page) :mad: :

    Among the Sub-Committee's fifteen adopted principles:

    http://www.iansa.org/documents/salw_hr_principles.pdf


    The full Sub-Committee report is here: http://www.iansa.org/un/documents/salw_hr_report_2006.pdf

    Get a cup of coffee, it's 72 pages.

    From the Exec Summary:

    Basically, by throwing around terms like "due diligence," the report seems to be gunning (pardon the pun) for a legal basis to slap the "human rights violator" label on any nation with liberal firearms ownership laws. This is blatantly evident in the following from the report:

    What did someone say about the 2006/2008 elections?:uhoh:
     
  2. LAR-15

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    See my signature below about IANSA.


    I voted for GWB and Republicans :)

    And will do so again
     
  3. ArmedBear

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    But this is a good time to punish the GOP by helping the anti-gun activist Democrats win elections...:rolleyes:
     
  4. NeveraVictimAgain

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    This is scary!

    I can't believe these people don't believe in the right to self defense. The question is what can we do about it?

    Is the IANSA a part of the U.N? Who do I write to besides my congress critters?

    THANKS!
     
  5. ArmedBear

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    That's not it. They believe that self-defense is a violation of human rights.
     
  6. Can'thavenuthingood

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  7. K-Romulus

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    more from the report

    http://www.iansa.org/un/documents/salw_hr_report_2006.pdf


    The underlined part is why self-described liberal Democrat K-Romulus became an NRA Life Member earlier this summer . . .
     
  8. Can'thavenuthingood

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    This is an attack on the Sovereignty of nations.

    Human rights my foot. They are not interested in God given rights, but only the rights they assign to you. They are not interested in the safety for another human being, just control.

    I'm so damn mad right now. I need to go kick something.

    I got a half a notion to help hillary get into office so we can bring this to a head and get it over with. I'm tired of pussy footing around.

    Vick
     
  9. Zundfolge

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    I've given this a lot of thought over the last year or so and I've come up to the conclusion that the time for violent revolution to restore our republic and defend RKBA has long past.

    We didn't stand up and shoot the bastards in 1934 so its too late for that to work now ... violent revolution at this point in time will only do the following:

    • Get a lot of gun owners killed.
    • Cement the idea that "civilians" should not be armed because it promotes "terrorist behavior".
    • Force government to tighten its grip on us even more.
    • Even if the US government fell to a revolution, it would be replaced with a Fascist Dictatorship that is in bed with the UN.

    You said you want to bring it to a head and get it over with ... I'm more and more convinced that a violent revolution in the US would fail and thus end freedom for all of humanity for a good century (if not millennium). Then the only thing that would save us is a serious SHTF (global nuclear war, giant asteroid impact or return of Christ ... something that completely destabilizes the world government and destroys their electronic surveillance and control capacities...so freedom would come at the cost of returning the world to a "pre industrial age").

    If we can't win our rights back through the system we're basically screwed. Good news is that I've also come to the conclusion that we CAN win through the system (it just won't be instant and it will require several stages of compromise and incrimintalism ... so the LP and "Ideological Purity" types will just bitch and moan along the way).
     
  10. longeyes

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    And we wonder why there is "terrorism" in the world...?
     
  11. orangelo

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    I'm paying off the rest of my NRA life membership dues today. For now we might still be able to get things done through the parts of the system that aren't broken.

    Strange how the governments that actually perpetrate genocide and rebellion are exempt from all the feel-good legislature promoted by those socialist dirtbags.

    That's right. Joe Sixpack and his deer rifle is more of a threat to world peace than China selling 12 state of the art jet fighters to Zimbabwe. Russia selling 100,000 AK103 rifles to Venezeula isn't as much of a threat as Jane Doe's skeet gun. Iran building nuclear weapons production facilities is not as large a threat as your .38 special.

    :fire:

    Every time I read this garbage the more it feels like debating time is over and head busting time is starting. :scrutiny:
     
  12. longeyes

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    And what exactly is "the system" in an era of Political Disconnection?
     
  13. HankB

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    So you have NO right to protect yourself, but the State is supposed to do so under the same "international human rights law" that safeguards people in Darfur, Rwanda and Burundi, the Balkans, Cambodia, etc. etc.

    Note how the U.N. mentions "domestic violence" . . . I wonder how well they're addressing the issue in that large group of countries (we all know who they are) where the belief system allows wife-beating? :barf:

    Once again, my .sig line is proven appropriate. Wish it wasn't so . . .
     
  14. Zundfolge

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    False Premise

    The idea that our political system is completely broken and its impossible to make positive change through it is an idea thats fun for sardonic Letters to the Editor, Claire Wolfe books, debates in coffee shops with Libertarians and online bitch sessions, but it's not based in fact.

    If the political system were completely broken and we couldn't make any positive change, then explain;
    • the end of the AWB.
    • the increase in states with right to carry laws (down to only 2 with NO CCW at all).
    • passage of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.
    • more states passing "Castle Doctrine" and "Stand Your Ground" laws


    No, I'm not convinced that we can't turn the tide back in our favor by way of "the system" ... but if it turns out that we can't than you must accept the reality that violent revolution ain't gonna work either.
     
  15. longeyes

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    Try using the windshield, not the rear-view mirror.

    If you think the majority--either worldwide or within our own country--will be on "our side" in five to ten years, you are dreaming. The only way we will avoid being a shrinking, embattled, and marginalized minority, will be to insist on our civil liberties and defend them by whatever means necessary.
     
  16. Zundfolge

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    Then we're doomed ... we should either start killing them or ourselves.
     
  17. Oleg Volk

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    While there's breath, there's hope.

    Conceding the fight now guarantees a loss.

    We live in a country founded by the political losers from other countries...so being a loser doesn't mean life is over. It means we start this up again.
     
  18. Green Lantern

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    So the UN now comes out and says there is no right to self defense???

    Do we need ANY other reason to demand the US get the heck out of the UN?!?!?! At the very least - I'd prefer they disband altogether!
     
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    Reason enough for me to do what I'd been putting off over a petty squabble at the local level (ahem, Ms. Palmer, you listening? I doubt it):

    Join the NRA.
     
  20. nico

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    Let me get this straight. IANSA wants to "protect" women from rapists by taking away my guns. But, if a woman happens to be attacked, she should just lay there and take it because she has no right to defend herself:fire:

    btw, for those who think all is lost, do you really think the people behind the recent CCW/castle doctrine movements will sit idly by while something as absurd as this is implemented? IMO, if any of IANSA's ideas even come close to being implemented in this country, the outcry will be surprising to many. This is not Australia.
     
  21. oops!

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    1. get the friggin' UN off U.S. soil!

    2. call in the debts the u.n. owes the U.S. If they can't pay, confiscate assets.


    The u.n. is an afront to human decency. Annan spouts all that crap, yet supports hellholes that keep women in human bondage. The u.n. will standby and watch relief supplies being stolen by tribal warlords. The thought of that jerk getting 1/10 of one cent of my tax money makes me want to puke.


    What we have here is the result of a world driven by uncontrolled breeding. When any species exceeds the carrying capacity of it's enviroment the mutations and aberrant behaviour commence. Followed eventually by a big , "die-back".

    Want to start a pool on when ours occurs? I'll put $50.00 on 2017. Who wants to hold the money?
     
  22. Hawkmoon

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    Ain't that a hoot?

    IMHO countries (and/or subjurisdictions thereof) that DO license gun ownership are the ones I would consider to be human rights violators.

    Once again, it is time for the U.S. to withdraw from the United Nations and boot them out of our country.
     
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  24. Green Lantern

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    Some lib-**** had a letter published in a local paper talking about how great the UN is. Well, come to think of it, the best he could manage was the UN only costs each man woman and child in America $1.42 per year, and that the UN is neutral on abortions. My response (just sent it in, too soon to tell if it'll see print)
    This will hopefully open a few eyes if printed, being that the city this paper serves is a DU-described "liberal oasis." :barf: They printed my letter protesting the Gun Ban Summit anyway...!

    By the way, the one who came to this "progressive" conclusion, is one Professor Barbara Frey, who may, and SHOULD, be reached at freyx001@tc.umn.edu
     
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  25. Henry Bowman

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    I agree with IANSA that gun control is a human rights issue. The truth is it's a human rights violation. They just happen to be on the wrong side of the equation.
     
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