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I'd vote for this "sensible gun law"

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Jumping Frog, Jun 5, 2009.

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  1. Jumping Frog

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    Be it enacted, immediately upon the President's signature, all previously enacted federal gun laws are null and void. Be it further enacted that all agents in the employ of the Bureau of Alchohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (henceforth referred to simply as ATF) in a firearms enforcement role shall be offered positions within the expanded Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) under the supervision of the Director for Civilian Marksmanship (DCM).

    Inasmuch as violent crime and the threat of terrorism are – and will remain – a clear and present danger in our world, the following sensible gun laws will be henceforth be enacted and enforced:

    1. Every able-bodied person, having reached the age of majority, shall have readily available both a long arm (i.e., rifle or shotgun) and a sidearm (i.e., pistol or revolver) and a minimum of fifty (50) rounds of ammunition for each. (With parental/guardian permission, the age of majority requirement may be waived. Further, those who wish may claim Conscientious Objector (CO) status to be waived from the requirement altogether.) A familiarization-fire course shall be completed by each person at least annually under the auspices of the DCM.

    2. The Secretary of Defense (SecDef) shall make available to the DCM a complete inventory of all small arms available in the Department of Defense (DoD) that are not currently required for use within the DoD. Any small arms the DCM deems appropriate shall be transferred to the CMP for sale to United States citizens desiring to comply with paragraph 1 above.

    3. All state and local firearms laws are considered to be null and void as they are superseded by both the Second Amendment to the Constitution and the right to self-defense which even predates our Constitution. By extension, all Concealed Weapon/Handgun Licenses are rendered moot – citizens are expected and encouraged to carry weapons/firearms.

    4. The DCM, with the aid of the newly transferred former ATF agents shall develop and administer a suitable firearms safety and marksmanship training program for implementation in all schools, grades K-12.
     
  2. damien

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    Needs more legalese. :neener:
     
  3. PPGMD

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    So I have to waste my time and qualify every year, great.

    Sure the course of fire takes 30 minutes to complete, but with so many others being there, and the usual slow downs I would have to waste an entire day.
     
  4. MrPeter

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    Make it every other year or so. Otherwise we'll get the same slow lines as the DMV has.
     
  5. waterhouse

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    For no firearms laws, I'd be willing to head to the range and shoot once a year. "No honey, I HAVE to go to the range today. Really."

    Full auto, suppressors with no tax, no concealed carry permits necessary, carry anywhere and everywhere, firearms shipped right to your door, import anything from any country, no paperwork, cut barrel to any length you want . . . yeah, I'd go to the range for an entire day every year for that.
     
  6. mini14gb

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    What reasonable, patriotic, gun enthusiast wouldn't vote for that is my question?
     
  7. Lovesbeer99

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    So the RTKBA is now not a right but a federally mandated obligation? Why not just require 2 years of military service at that point.

    I love the 2nd and I'm a great supporter, but let's not go the other way too far. Try to re-word this so that the govt is obligated to support the program. Supply guns, ammo, ranges, and laws that allow people to take off from work (like jury duty), but don't make it a federal offense to object and let's not keep the control with the federal govt.

    We wan't less fed not more fed.
     
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  8. CTSigLover

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    Great, more Federal government interference in my life, telling me now that I have to own guns.

    I would buy into the part repealing Federal gun laws, but when you start placing positive obligations on people, that's where you and I part ways.

    We need fewer laws, not more...
     
  9. mini14gb

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    Obviously this "law" is just a first draft that would get paired down and changed in committee but I'm still for it. I understand less gov't but as part of a sweeping national defense policy with China owning more and more of our debt I would go for it in lew of mandatory service in the Armed Force. What pisses me off is that China is hostile to us and we continue to export American jobs to them all for the sake of Wall Street profits.
     
  10. CTSigLover

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    You would be in favor of mandatory gun ownership because you fear Chinese military action? You think the Chinese army is coming here? To the US mainland?
     
  11. CoRoMo

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    There really is no such thing.
     
  12. mini14gb

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    Well in light of Chinese military aggression as it pertains to Taiwan (whom we swore to defend) I would say if a Chinese attack on Taiwan happened that will almost certainly require an attack on U.S. Aegis Cruise ships are defending Taiwan. In that event we could possibily be facing total war. Don't think China isn't the New Red Menace. They are a communist country and the U.S. (like a bunch of fools) is giving them all their wealth to be aggressive with in the name of cheap labor for Rich American CEO's. Below is an excerpt from a recent Fox News Story along with a link to the full story.

    U.S. Wary of Growing Chinese Military Power
    Pentagon says China needs to be more open about its military modernization or risk creating uncertainty and miscalculations by other nations.


    WASHINGTON -- This month's seagoing squabble between Chinese patrol boats and an American Navy ship illustrates the conflicted relationship between the two countries.

    A U.S. Defense Department annual report released Wednesday on the Chinese military didn't mention that showdown but did raise troubling possibilities.

    "We could become adversaries if we allow ourselves to go down that path," Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said."The key is to prevent that from happening."

    China's rapidly growing military strength is shifting the military balance in the region and could be used to force its claims in disputed territories, the report said.

    Beijing continues to develop weapons that threaten longtime rival Taiwan, even though tensions between the two have been reduced significantly, the report said. It added that China is also developing longer range capabilities that could have an affect beyond the Asia-Pacific region.

    The latest in a series of annual assessments for Congress of China's military power, the report says the U.S. "welcomes the rise of a stable, peaceful and prosperous China and encourages China to participate responsibly" in world affairs.

    "However, much uncertainty surrounds China's future course, particularly regarding how its expanding military power might be used," the report said.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/fir...n-china-weapons-development-threatens-taiwan/
     
  13. CTSigLover

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    I could see a naval squabble in the straight of Taiwan, but I find the idea of Chinese boots on the ground in the US to be far fetched.

    The Taiwanese straight is between 80 and 110 miles wide, and China has not crossed it. It is considerably further to Hawaii and further still to California... perhaps you are correct, but I just don't think China has the force projection ability.

    If we fight a war with China in the future, it will be an economic one. Now Russia v. China, that's another story altogether...:(

    But this is going off topic... sorry.
     
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    No, no way.

    I'm a supporter of the RKBA, as well as the historical and biblical heritage to defend ourselves and our families.

    But silencers, explosive rounds, and full auto weapons are going too far for civilian use.
     
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    Okay maybe not explosive rounds--- but seriously what is the big deal with silencers they are just like a muffler on a car. Making target shooting less obnoxious. Full auto as well -- A full auto M4 is no more dangerous than a pump shotgun.

    Lets remember what RTKBA and the 2A actually means!
     
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    BooHoo for the price of freedom.
     
  18. Seminole

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    No thanks--rights are not obligations.
     
  19. kilo729

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    No. Don't force anything on me or others.
     
  20. 22LRFan

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    That would get struck down. That's along the lines of having to take a test in order to vote. While I think marksmanship is important, one should not have to earn a right.
     
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    Wow, so people are actually in favor of taking away personal freedom, as long as it means more guns? :scrutiny:
     
  22. Mr.Davis

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    To those who claim "there is no sensible gun law" - do you believe convicted violent felons should be allowed to own firearms? Remember, this includes murderers, rapists, and those who have committed violent assault.
     
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    If you have a problem with China boycott Chinese made products and by all means avoid Wally World.

    Please spare us more government regulation.
     
  24. CajunBass

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    How is it "freedom" if I HAVE to go to the range and meet someone elses standards before I can do something?
     
  25. Art Eatman

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    bookworm, silencers would merely be courteous insofar as your neighbors' hearing. They're over-the-counter in some European countries.

    Explosive ammo is more a myth than reality, although I have drilled into lead 30-caliber bullets and added pop-stuff. Didn't accomplish anything.

    Full-auto is a fun way to convert money into noise. It's one way for God to tell you that you have too much money. Regardless, good folks don't misuse them, and you can't stop bad guys. No different from BB guns, really; you can ruin windows with a Daisy Red Ryder.

    Further, the Second Amendment was intended to guarantee parity between the populace and the government, insofar as military power--with there being an advantage to the populace by virtue of their numbers. Read the Preamble to the Bill of Rights. It's quite obvious as to the intent of the package of enumerated rights.

    Moderator hat on: Any more about China and politics and this thread is toast.
     
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