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Ideal no.55 questions

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Grassman, Dec 7, 2008.

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  1. Grassman

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    I've got an older Ideal No.55 and I have several questions about it.

    1. The two adjustments, upper and lower, I assume the upper controls the grain setting? What is the lower one, its a little bigger and mine don't hardy move. Seized up?
    2. I guess the two set screws lock your settings in?
    3. Do you just put the brass underneath and charge it that way, with a pull of the lever? Is there a special bottom piece for different calibers?
    4. What is the piece thats attached with the cotter pin for?

    I hope you understand my questions, I've searched the net, and archives on this site, but never found any manuals or instructions. I know these sound like stupid obvious question, but not for me. I'm just learning this stuff so bear with me. And if you guys have a link to any websites that explain this powder measure, that would be great. Thanks, Grass :confused:
     
  2. qajaq59

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    I've got an older Ideal No.55 and I have several questions about it.

    1. The two adjustments, upper and lower, I assume the upper controls the grain setting? What is the lower one, its a little bigger and mine don't hardy move. Seized up?

    There are actually 3 adjustments. The black barrel will slide in and out when you want a major change. Then the bottom screw will adjust less then that, but still quite a bit. And finally the top one for the finer adjustments. If you loosen the set screws you can remove all of them and clean them. Pay attention though as there is a little stud that has to be put back in the right position when reassembling. You can lube them with a little graphite. Also, look at the bottom of the black barrel and you will see lines that you can use for settings.


    2. I guess the two set screws lock your settings in?

    Right.

    3. Do you just put the brass underneath and charge it that way, with a pull of the lever? Is there a special bottom piece for different calibers?

    There should be a small sort of reversed funnel that screws in the bottom. You put your brass up under that and pull the lever. However I prefer to use a see thru funnel so I can actually see my powder dropping into the case.

    4. What is the piece that's attached with the cotter pin for?

    That little knocker is to flip up with your finger so that it whacks the measure and jiggles the powder. Give it a pretty good flip and try to do it the same every time.

    Hopefully this helps somewhat. By the way I still use one of those that I bought a zillion years ago.
     
  3. Grassman

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    How much should the bottom bigger adjustment move? My No.55 is pretty old and does have a little surface rust, could it be seized?
     
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    Remove the barrel if you can, that will require removing the retaining screw on the end of the barrel, then lightly clean with fine steel wool or scotchbrite. Try to do it dry so it doesn't have oil residue. Blow off or wipe well so any dust is gone. Wipe the inside of the measure where the barrel fits with a clean cloth. The barrel adjustment screws and lock screws do need a little oil and won't affect anything if you use sparingly.
    The barrel needs to slide free but not too free or sloppy.
    I use the knocker each time I drop charges. The procedure goes like this. You move the lever up to the stop, hesitate in the up position for a second then smoothly but firmly sweep it down to the stop. Then flip the knocker. I do the knocker twice but you just need to be consistent in movement for each dropped charge. When you get the correct charge, lightly lock the set screws. My #55 will drop within .1 grain very consistently with nearly every powder. It seems less fussy with different powders than other measures that I have tried with less powder bridging. You fine tune the drop with the small slides. You'll have to lock the large barrel set screw to do this. You'll get the hang of it after a little practice.
    Hope this helps and doesn't confuse.

    NCsmitty
     
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    From Lymans very own web site..:rolleyes:
    http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/scales-measures/pdf/LyC_SM_PM_55Cl.pdf
     
  7. Grassman

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    The other question I have is about the two adjustment knobs. I'm trying to set it for 39 grains of H380, can you walk me through it on how to set it to the right setting. I'm not sure which of these to adjust to get that weight, top one, bottom or both? The instructions say there are three slide to work with, I only see two. What am I missing?
     
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    The whole big black steel center drum slides in and out, with the two brass slides going along for the ride.

    The big brass slide is used for ....

    Wait a minute!
    Did you read the Owners Manual I posted the link too awhile ago?

    rcmodel
     
  9. Grassman

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    Yes, I did read it. I'm dealing with an older No.55,like 40 years old. It has a little surface rust. This center drum must be seized.
     
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    40 years age hasn't much to do with it. They haven't changed them much in the last 100 years.
    See post #4 above.
    NCsmitty explained how the center drum might be stuck, and that it needs to come out to clean and graphite lube all the other parts.

    There is a screw holding a thin steel plate on the opposite end of the handle.

    Take it off, and the drum will come out the handle side.
    You may have to work it back and forth with the handle to get it out, but it will come out.

    From there, you can see what you are dealing with in the way of rust/compacted powder granules, etc.

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    I think you are asking how to set it for a specific amount of powder just by using the barrel and bars alone without using it in conjuntion with your scale? You can't. Or at least I can't. You'll need to use your scale also.

    If I am wrong about what you are asking, just disregard this.

    After you get it cleaned up and working smoothly this is what you do.

    Let's just say you are looking for 45.5 rains of powder?

    Bring the barrel out a bit and then drop the powder in the scale pan and weigh it. Try to get as close to the 45.5 as you can without going over.

    Then if you need a couple of grains more turn the bottom screw a bit and see what it now weighs.

    Then to fine tune it down to the last few tenths of a grain use the top screw.

    You'll get used to setting it rather quickly. And if you jot down where it was for a given amount, it'll be easier to set it up next time.
     
  12. Grassman

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    That's my problem, I don't think I'm reading my Lyman scale right. They just aren't matching up. Frustrating.
     
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    I think it's my scales for some reason, but they look fine. They look clean and no rust. Maybe I don't know how to read the damn thing. I don't know?
     
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    Stupid question; On the adjustment on the side that go's to 50, I assume that's grains?
     
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    hello grassman i`ve read this thread twice & i think you`re trying to use the scale on the drum to get a specific weight , it don`t work like that.i use those numbers for reference only , to duplicate a setting.
    you need to weigh the powder to verify weight!!
    do you have a bullet of known weight ????
    if so set the scale to what the bullet weighs (supposidly) & see what happens.
    should be close to what`s on the box.

    hope this helps you some!!!


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    Yeah, that's why I think the scale if off. I have a 55 grain bullet I weighed and it was way off. I've cleaned the scales, they are zeroed out, so I'm at a loss with these scales.
     
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    which lyman scales ya got???


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    The D5
     
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    the D5 is a good scale if it`s the one i`m thinking of .

    cast steel or aluminum base ???
    if it is i think the graduations on the left are 10grs. each& on the rt. is 10 grs. in tenths ?????
    how close was you`re 55gr bullet???

    CRS kiks in at times . LOL

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    It's an aluminum base one. Left are 5 grain increments, and the right are in 10ths. But I have come to the conclusion that the scale is fine, I think I need a new powder measure. The barrel will not come out, (seized) and the other two are a little sloppy, kinda rough. I think I'm going to get a new powder measure.
     
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    It's an aluminum base one. Left are 5 grain increments, and the right are in 10ths. But I have come to the conclusion that the scale is fine, I think I need a new powder measure. The barrel will not come out, (seized) and the other two are a little sloppy, kinda rough. I think I'm going to get a new powder measure.
     
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    It's an aluminum base one. Left are 5 grain increments, and the right are in 10ths. But I have come to the conclusion that the scale is fine, I think I need a new powder measure. The barrel will not come out, (seized) and the other two are a little sloppy, kinda rough. I think I'm going to get a new powder measure.
     
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    It's an aluminum base one. Left are 5 grain increments, and the right are in 10ths. But I have come to the conclusion that the scale is fine, I think I need a new powder measure. The barrel will not come out, (seized) and the other two are a little sloppy, kinda rough. I think I'm going to get a new powder measure.
     
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    LOL, hope ya got that GP100, computer malfunction got a storm outside with sat. internet.
     
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    OK, now we know where you are at least. I can tell you that even if the powder measure was brand new you'd never get it to give you the right amount by using the lines. The lines are just for reference, as someone already said.

    Before you order a new one though I'd get some Marvel Mystery oil and just soak in that for a few days. If you can get the barrel to move at all you will likely be able to get it out and fix it.
     
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