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Identifying Primers With Red Cups

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Havok7416, Oct 7, 2012.

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  1. Havok7416
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    As the title suggests, I am trying to identify some large pistol primers I pulled from some questionable .44 Magnum loads. They appear to be normal except for the coloring. I suspect they are Federal but I've never actually seen one. Anyone have any ideas?
     
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    Red?? This thread needs pics.

    First thing I'd suspect is that a reloader colored them with a Sharpie!
     
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    If you are talking about the outside of the primer proof loads have red primers.
     
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    Or just unplated copper colored primers??

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    I figure maybe he's asking about the coloring on the inside.

    My Winchester Large Pistol primers are gold cups with a dark red color on the priming compound. That is the only brand LP primer I have on hand right now. Well, except Wolf, and I don't want to break them open.
     
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    Walkalong has it right. The color of the priming compound itself is what I was referring to I just didn't describe it adequately. They are definitely dark red on the inside.
     
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    I had a batch of Fed large pistol mag match that had red compound inside.
     
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    Ah crap, now it's getting harder. I sense a trash dump in these primers future...
     
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    when in doubt, smash them with a hammer!

    (after soaking them in a cup of 30 weight motor oil)
     
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    Upon further inspection the color appears to be a red-orange which seems to make them Federal primers. The Winchesters described previously were dark red.
     
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    My Wolf 209 primers have a red lacquer sealer on the inner surface. I have some unopened Wolf SRM primers, but I'm not where I can check them right now.


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    Here is a pic of the Fed alongside some CCI. The Feds in this picture are the SMALL primers but the color is the same as the large, I don't have any of the large left to take the picture. The cci's are more of a true orange.
     

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    Jjjitters how old are those CCI primers? They look just like the ones I removed but I would have never guessed CCI.
     
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    That anvil is red. The anvil on my Winchester large pistol primers is brass colored, and the priming compound has a dark red coating.
     
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    Those CCI's are a couple years old(maybe 8-12yrs), the new ones have a dark blue box. The compound inside the CCI's are orange and the Feds are redish orange. I have some Win's also and as Walkalong said they have a brass colored outside and a deeper red compound. Either way I'd say it is safe to say they are mag primers and you can reload them as such or take them out and toss 'em.
    I personally would load a few light charges and compare the velocities to the book.
     
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    Sadly I don't have a velocity comparitor (chronograph). I tend to make lighter loads and have no use for magnum primers. I suppose I may be able to load some light .44 Mag loads and it won't make much difference.
     
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    If you are not close to max, it won't hurt a thing.

    Just hope you don't use them and then the ammo shoots better than ever.
     
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    Haha that would suck! I will post a range report here when I get around to loading .44 Mag.
     
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    It isn't going to make a deference in light loads or Max. If you was going to see a difference it would be more likely to see it in the lighter load.
     
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    I just noticed some (1500 actually) CCI large pistol primers I overlooked. The anvil is yellowish brass and the priming compound, or coating, is yellow.
     
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    They must have changed their compounds. I have many new CCI primers in all sizes and they are all yellow-yellow.
     
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    Yep my new ones have the brass colored metal ''retainer'' and the compound is yellow, those older ones were orange. I think it depends which crayons they have for the day;)
     
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