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Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Brian Williams, Jun 21, 2008.

  1. OARNGESI

    OARNGESI Member

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    hi i got a s&w snubbie it reads on the barrel smith & WESSON 38 s&w spc ctg with c52083 under the 2 in barrel it also has 93609 when the barrel is open any info on it? thanks and is plus p ammo ok in it
     
  2. Radagast
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    OARNGESI:
    Your .38 Military & Police Postwar was manufactured between 1948 & 1951, serial range for those years was C1 to C223998. If I had to guess I would say 1949.
    the number in the cylinder yoke cut out is an assembly number, used to track parts in the factory. It has no maning after the gun was completed.

    S&W does not recommend use of PlusP ammunition in guns made before 1957. This is simply a convenient cut off point for them, as they started stamnping model numbers on guns that year. In reality any postwar steel framed gun will be fine with PlusP. I would avoid any +P+ as there is no industry standard for it and you doin't know what you are getting. PlusP is only 10% above standard and in reality is close to the old standard pressure load, prior to the standards being lowered.
     
  3. Slimbo

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    heres two for ya, i've never dated the 4"...

    38
    4"
    square
    6
    adjustable
    K726214
    15-2


    38
    2"
    square
    6
    adjustable
    98K6373
    15-4
    N
     
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  4. OARNGESI

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    thanks radagast
     
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    Slimbo:
    Your Model 15-2 Combat Masterpiece was manufactured in 1967.
    Your Model 15-4 was manufactured in 1981.
     
  6. Slimbo

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    Thank you!
     
  7. mesinge2

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    a) .357 Magnum
    b) 2 1/8" Barrel
    c) round butt
    d) 5 shot J frame Bodyguard style
    e) Fixed
    f) XXXXXXX
    g) 649-3 (pre-lock)

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  8. Radagast
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    Mesinge2;
    Late 1997 seems likely. Guns in the CCExxxx range shipped in November 1997 and the CCKxxxx range shipped in January 1998.
    The-3 refers to a change to the J magnum frame, which occurred in 1996.
     
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    Thanks again Radagast!
     
  10. Skull-ring

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    J frame

    .38
    snubbie
    square
    five shot
    fixed sights
    serial # j354367
    Model 36

    Also its blue if that makes a difference, Thanks.
     
  11. leadslinger83

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    need help identifiying a smith and wesson revolver

    just bought a revolver yesterday and its my first one i dont need info on how to do anything with it just want to see what model it is , about the year made and what a value is worth on it . it has a serial number of 209936 and many copyright dates but stops at dec 29 1914 not sure the length of barrel for it but it is a 38 special . any help would be grateful to me
     
  12. AgentV3

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    Posting a picture of it would help immensely. Is the ejector rod exposed on the underside of the barrel? Also, open the cylinder and check on the frame behind where the crane rests, if it's new enough, the model number can be found there.
     
  13. yhirmikq

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    Hi,

    my model 10:

    .38 Special
    4" Barrel

    6 Shot
    fixed sight
    Model 10
    V453XXX

    It must be older than 1967, since it has a stamp from German Authorities dated 1967.
     
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    yhirmikq:
    Is it stamped Model 10?
    The V prefix predates the Model 10 stamp, which was introduced in 1957. If the serial number is V453xxx, then it dates to around 1943 and is a Victory Model manufactured for the US govt during World War II. Many of these were supplied as surplus to the German police departments.
    If a victory model, then it lacks the internal hammer block safety introduced in 1944, if dropped it could fire, so leave the chamber under the hammer empty.

    If the gun is stamped Model 10 then the the serial number chould have a C prefix.

    Skull-ring:
    Your Model 36 Chiefs Special was manufactured in 1976.
     
  15. Lawr1165

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    Thanks!

    Thanks Radagast!! I really appreciate the information!
     
  16. Skull-ring

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    Thanks Radagast. You da man.
     
  17. Baba Louie

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    More than likely, an early M&P hand ejector (3rd change?), which evolved into the current model 10... but as Agent said, a photo would be helpful.

    Measure barrel from front of cylinder to muzzle for that.
     
  18. leadslinger83

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    agent and baba louie i have more information for you and i for some reason cant get a clear picture but i will do my best to describe it

    it has a 4 inch barrel
    38 special
    holds 6
    open hand ejector
    and round grips
    nothing in the crane area
    it is blued
    serial number is 209936 with no letters any were
     

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    Leadslinger83:
    I think you have a bitsa. Specifically it is a .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 3rd Change manufactured between 1909 & 1915 in the serial range 146900 to 241703.
    The grips, if walnut, are from the period 1946 to 1950.
    The Pat. dates are for the .38 Military & Model of 1905 4th Change. Look on the underside of the barrel. Hidden by the ejector rod there should be a serial number with a B prefix. If the barrel is original to the gun then it will be B209936 & your gun definitely dates to 1915.
    If the number is different or missing then it has been rebarreled at some point. This is not uncommon, S&W did not heat treat these guns, so the odd one would bulge a barrel or cylinder.
    If not original then all I can say is 1909 to 1915.

    Now for the warnings.
    Because this gun was not heat treated I recommmend that you only fire it if it passes the how to check out a revolver sticky at the top of this subforum.
    In addition only use lead standard velocity ammunition. No +P, +P+, jacketed or semi jacketed ammo. This will reduce the likelyhood of a bulged barrel or cylinder.
    This gun lacks a positive internal hammer block. If dropped it could fire. So load five only and leave the chamber under the hammer empty.
     
  20. leadslinger83

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    radagast thank you for all that information it is just amazing that i am a first time revolver owner and i picked up this piece of history for only $100 at a show it does have the original barrel and it has the "b" pre fix but also it does have walnut grips , i had no idea that they didnt heat treat these guns i was at the range yesterday and shot this with jhp 38 spl +p but ran great. however knowing more about this i am going to switch that, an like always when i buy used guns i take it to my gun smith and he goes over everything live a fine tooth comb and said it was good to go. so i thank you again for the information
     
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    For a shooter that was a good price. Congrats.
     
  22. yhirmikq

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    Thanks, Radagast, for your great information.

    The revolver has an internal hammer block safety. I will check tonight if it is stamped Model 10, but I guess it is not.

    I am not sure where I can find the serial number on the revolver. The problem is that German weapon authorities have stamped quite a few numbers on it :)
     
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    yhirmikq:
    Some of the pre-block Victory Models were retrofitted at S&W. These usually have an S stamp on the top rear left side of the frame.
     
  24. waidmann

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    Hi radagast,

    I have a 4 inch M&P blued, gold medallions, with serial of 2614XX, no Made In USA on frame.

    Thanks pal,

    Waidmann
     

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    Waidmann:
    Serial number 267xxx shipped in 1916, so I'd say your gun did as well. It's a .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 4th Model. Not heat treated and no hammer block safety.
     

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