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Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Brian Williams, Jun 21, 2008.

  1. CajunBass

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    Thanks Radagast. I've got it on layaway now, but I'm trying hard to keep myself from trading something in to get it out of hock.

    Patience..Patience...:D :D ;)
     
  2. KimberLover

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    My S&W's

    Three S&W's ....
    1. 38 All Nickel, all NIB, never fired.
    2. 1 7/8" pinned
    3. Square butt.
    4. 5 shots
    5. Stationary sights
    6. J-2188XX, J-4574XX, J-5660XX
    7. Model 36-1
    One
    1. 32 blue, NIB, Never fired
    2. 1 7/8" pinned
    3. Square Butt
    4. 6 shot
    5. Stationary sights
    6. R-933XX
    7. Model 31-1
    One
    1. 38 stainless
    2. 1 7/8"
    3. RND butt.
    4. 5 shots
    5. Stationary sights
    6. R-1503XX
    7. Model 60
     
  3. Workhorse

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    Thanks once again Radagast, I accidently left out the -2 on the model 66....any thoughts as to what ammo I should use with the 66-2 and do you think +P would be ok in the model 60...Thanks again.
     
  4. Radagast
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    Workhorse:
    For the Model 60 +P should be fine, it's only a 10% increase in pressure on a low pressure cartridge.
    for the Model 66 the perceived wisdom is a lot of .38 special, a little 158 grain .357 magnum and no 110 grain or 125 grain .357s as these have been the cause of cracked forcing cones in the model 66.

    KimberLover:
    Your Model 36-1 Chiefs Special should be a three inch barrel gun as the -1 indicates a three inch heavy barrel, but S&W have shipped mismarked guns.

    You quote three separate J prefix serial numbers, I'm assuming you have three seperate Chiefs Specials and not one gun with a mix of parts.
    J2188xx dates to 1973-1974. Serial range for those years was J100000 to J250000.
    J4574xx & J5660xx date to 1976-1977. Serial range for those years was J370001 to J610000.

    Your Model 31-1 .32 Regulation Police dates to 1970-1973. Serial range for those years was R30001 to R99999.

    Your Model 60 Chiefs Special Stainless dates to 1974-1977. Serial range for those years was R100000 to R190000.
     
  5. higgimw

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    a) caliber Smith and Wesson .22LR

    b) bbl length (from cylinder to muzzle) 4 IN

    c) grips shape (round or square) Square

    d) number of shots/cylinder bores 6

    e) type of sights. Adjustable (factory)

    f) serial number, and if there is a letter in front of or anywhere near the s/n on the bottom of the grip K393XXX

    g) Model number if it is under the crane. Mod 18 ( 3-screw)
    That number, if it is the s/n, should come from the butt of the grip (or under the barrel or face of the cylinder).

    Greetings guys. I am looking at a Smith and Wesson model 18 no dash. It has never been fired and was part of a collection belonging to a now deceased gentleman. Here is my concern. It is Nickel. Yes Nickel. I have never seen one like that before or even heard of one. It has the original grips, No box, no paperwork, and they are asking quite a bit for it ( well over $800.00). I want the pistol for my wife, BUT I am just not sure of the price or the weapon. What can you tell me about this weapon? Is this a good investment? Thanks.
     
  6. Dave_in_Fairview_Park

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    a) caliber Smith and Wesson .22LR

    Serial number puts it at a 1960 birth date

    Nickel finish not cataloged but produced.add 50-75% to value

    VG= $350 Exc= $425

    So if its VG condition its a $700 gun
     
  7. Radagast
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    There is a decent write up on the K22 Combat Masterpiece here:

    http://cosmolineandrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/sunday-smith-46-k-22-combat-masterpiece.html

    The model 18 (no dash) was produced from 1957 to 1959, per the Standard catalog of S&W, the serial number is from 1960, so I would place it as the last of that variant.

    S&W are producing the Model 18 again as part of their Classic line with a MRSP of $1043.00. Unlike the original Model 18 it has a square cut front sight and the internal lock,which gives you other options.

    Basically the price sounds high, but the nickel finish makes it interesting. Lack of a box drops it from as new in box to excellent condition for pricing purposes. As it is for your wife I would run the decision past her. You will be paying top dollar, so let her decide if the value is in it for her. With the box and papers the price being asked would be good. Without them it is a little high.

    Personally if I had the money available, I would probably buy it, but that's because I think the Model 18 is a superb firearm and I would like a spare.
    I find the balance to be perfect, accuracy is just fine, its cheap to feed and great for teaching kids and ladies to shoot. Mine goes with me to the range, no matter what else I am shooting.
     
  8. higgimw

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    Thanks guys. Much appreciated.
     
  9. Skull-ring

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    DOB for S&W 10-6 (please)

    Hi ,
    I hope you can help me find out the date of my first Smith and Wesson revolver. I bought it at a traders fair and think it was probably an old police sidearm.
    A: .38
    B: 4 inch barrel Bull (heavy barrel, did police use these?)
    C: Square Butt, wood grips (not the larger Target style)
    D: 6 shot
    E: Fixed Sights
    F: serial# D199111 on butt
    G: Mod 10-6 behind the crane (arm) AND on the inside of swing-out arm it has 28222
    Sorry no picture.
    :cool:
     
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    Skull-ring:
    Your Model 10-6 .38 Military & Police Heavy barrel was manufactured in 1969 or 1970. Serial range for those years was D90001 to D330000.
    The heavy barrel was police issue, it depended upon the department as to which barrel was ordered. The square butt grips you are refering to are known as Magna grips, these were the police or service grip.
    the -6 in 10-6 refers to an engineering change in the heavy barrel version.
    28222 is an assembly number used to track parts in the factory. It has no meaning affter the gun is assembled.
    D199111 is the serial number. at the time a D prefix refered to a K (medium) frame revolver with fixed sights.
     
  11. Skull-ring

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    thank you, radagast.
     
  12. wmjsmallwood

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    hey guys ,i am new here ,but glad i found it ,,posted this yesterday but probley in wrong place ,,,.357 mag
    6 inch
    square
    6 shot
    adjustable
    N5184XX
    28-2..highwayway patrolman
    also wondering if $400 was to much to pay ,shoots really well and in about 98 percent range,,,,thanks ,,,way down in ky
     
  13. Radagast
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    wmjsmallwood:
    Your Model 28-2 Highway Patrolman was manufactured in the period 1978-1980. as your serial number is low in the N5xxxxx range I would guess at 1978 or early 1979.
    In 2006 the Standard Catalog of S&W gave a value of $375 in excellent condition, so allowing for inflation you probably paid the correct price.
     
  14. wmjsmallwood

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    thank you very much nice to know these things ,,i love this 357 smith
     
  15. fmcdave

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    This is very interesting to me. i had been looking for a S&W Mountain Gun in .45 LC (as I reload that). I found one at a gun show a few years back and it is one of my favorites. It is one of the most accurate pistols I have. My daughters will fight over it when I'm gone.

    a: .45 Long Colt
    b: 4 inches, mountain gun style
    c: it appears to have custom rounded grips
    d: 6 rounds
    e: Adjustable rear sights
    f: CCF5886
    g: 625-6
    mountaingun.jpg
     
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  16. Radagast
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    fmcdave:
    The Standard Catalog of S&W notes that the S&W Model 625-6 Mountain Gun in .45 Colt was manufactured in 1996, serial range started at CAN45xx. Product code was 130045. It also notes that the 625-6 was introduced in 1997, so unless the mountain gun predates the general release of the 625-6, there is an error there.

    The serial ranges in the book show that the CCFxxxx serial prefix dates to around November or December 1997. The 625-6 was nominally a .45 ACP designation, with a couple of exceptions such as the mountain gun.
    In 1998 the 625-7 was designated for the .45 Colt versions.

    So based on the above, it could be 1996, 1997, or early 1998. I'm going to guesstimate late 1997.
     
  17. fmcdave

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    Thanks a bunch! Like I said, I love this gun! Do you know if it can stand the higher loads (like the bear loads). Most say they can only be used in certain guns. Can the S&W stand a heavy loaded round?
     
  18. Radagast
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    Short answer: I don't know.

    Long answer:
    Early S&W N frame .44 Magnums (till around 1983) had a problem with going out of time when shot with .44 magnum rounds, requiring a redesign (the Endurance Package). Originally designed for .44 special levels of recoil, then upgraded for .357 magnum and then again for the .44 magnum, unlike the Ruger Super Redhawk, the N frame was not originally designed to take a beating both pressure and recoil wise.
    The .45 chamber has less steel around it than the .44 chamber, so the cylinder will be weaker.
    Some handloading manuals have hotter loads listed as Ruger Only, due to the apparent greater strength of the Ruger Redhawk and Blackhawk.

    Based on the above I personally would not experiment with hotter/heavier handloads, and if purchasing factory ammo from a reputable manufacturer I would check their literature to ensure that they recommend it for use in your gun.
     
  19. clem

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    a: .38 Special
    b: 4 ins.
    c: it has square frame but rounded diamond stocks
    d: 6 rounds
    e: fixed sights
    f: C330655
    g: nothing there, but it is a five screw
     
  20. Radagast
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    clem:
    You have a Post War .38 Military & Police* manufactured between 1954 & 1956. Serial range for those years was C277555 to C402923. The upper side plate screw was deleted in 1955, so 1954-55 is as close as I can give you.

    There is no model number because Model numbers were not introduced until 1957. In 1957 the .38 Military & Police became the Model 10.

    *If the gun has an aluminum frame then it is a .38 Military & Police Airweight, the Pre-model 12.
     
  21. clem

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    Radagast,
    Thank you for the information!

    It is a steel frame.
     
  22. 19&41

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    A. .357
    B. 3"
    C. Round
    D. 6
    E. Fixed
    F. AYC94XX
    G. 65-3
    H. Thanks for your time and effort!
     
  23. Radagast
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    19&41:
    Your 65-3 .357 Military & Police Heavy Barrel Stainless was manufactured between July 1987 (AWWxxxx) & December 1987 (AYWxzxxx).
     
  24. danjet500

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    Model 29

    No pictures but my LGS has the following gun in house.

    A - .44 magnum
    B - 6.5"
    C - Square
    D - 6 shot
    E - Adjustable
    F - S178280. There is also a J below this number.

    Thanks for your help.
     
  25. hddeluxe

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    Thank you in advance for your assistance in determining the DOB. The following information is provided as requested.

    a) 44 Mag

    b) 6 inches

    c) Square

    d) 6 shot

    e) Adjustable rear/fixed front

    f) A7699xx

    g) 29-3
     

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