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Idiot friend left idiot scratch on brand new Colt 1991...

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by SA Town, Jan 31, 2010.

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  1. SA Town

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    Just turned 21 and had a friend show me how to take the gun apart... only to leave the seemingly infamous idiot scratch on it. <Low road silliness removed>

    What should I do? Should I get it refinished or something? I'm sure plenty of you folks out there have had to deal with this problem.
     
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  2. Oro

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    It's stainless you said? Just polish it out.
     
  3. amd6547

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    You needed your friend to show you how to take apart your new pistol which must have come with no manual and a new owner unable to google? Who's the idiot?
     
  4. gc70

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    You can polish the scratch out, but that area will be somewhat shinier than the brushed flats of your Colt.

    Or you can sand the scratch out (330 grit approximates the brushed look), but the surface will no longer be flat and even with the surrounding surface.

    Or you can refinish all of the flats on your gun - a long and painstaking job if done properly.

    Or you can chalk the scratch up to experience, recognizing that most 1911s have 'idiot marks."

    BTW, if you reinstall the slide release lever as shown in the picture below, you can avoid another scratch or making the scratch worse. Having a thumb above and below the slide release lever keeps it from getting away from you.

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  5. David E

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    Whenever you ask for the help of a friend who knows something you don't, you assume all risks.

    Such as, he didn't know as much as you thought he did......but he still knew more than you.

    Now you have the added lesson of knowing how "idiot marks" happen. Who knows, maybe YOU would've done it yourself, only worse, had you tried it without your friends help...or the first time you did it without his supervision.
     
  6. rellascout

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    Flitz metal polish should take care of it unless it is a matte finish.
     
  7. earlthegoat2

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    Exactly.

    I was going to say since YOU bought the 1911 then YOU should know how to care for it whether it is shooting it or field stripping it.

    Now, I understand you could have read up on it a lot and still put an idiot mark on your gun the first time you put it back together. I bought a 1911 as my first pistol and luckily it already had the mark from some previous owner so I didnt have to give it to it myself which I KNOW I WOULD HAVE DONE.

    It is not the end of the world. A little Flitz applied judisciously is the ticket I think. Dont try to remove it completly just try to make it less pronounced. It does not really hurt the value on the resale market since idiot marks are pretty common.
     
  8. SA Town

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    "You needed your friend to show you how to take apart your new pistol which must have come with no manual and a new owner unable to google? Who's the idiot?"

    Sorry for not clarifying... he actually asked me to show him the gun. I didn't ask him for his help yet he kept insisting I learned right then and there (have only had the gun for a few days and haven't gotten the chance to play with it much). You know, he is one of those people that is very pushy with everything :)

    I guess I'll just have to get over it. A tool is a tool, yet I don't think that it is unreasonable for someone to be upset that their very first handgun that hadn't even been taken out to shoot yet is already scratched... heh.

    Thanks for the advice so far... but just a quick question regarding the refinishing:

    What would you recommend for a refinish? I've heard of Ionbond and was curious if it would not only cover this up completely, but would show less scratches if I were to actually scratch this myself in the future.

    Thanks for listening to a young, dumb man rant.
     
  9. gc70

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    None - put the gun in your safe and leave it there if you are that worried about the gun's appearance. Scratches, scuffs, and rubs are a normal consequence of using a gun.

    There are a variety of finishes and treatments that increase the surface hardness of guns, thereby reducing the number of encounters that will actually mar a gun's surface appearance. The more sophisticated finishes and treatments have no discernable thickness (Ionbond = 2 microns, Melonite = 10 microns, human hair = 100 microns) and any existing irregularities in the surface of the gun will still show.

    BTW, I bought a used 1991 Government Model at an attractive price because it was all scratched up - no major dings or dents, just a lot of scratches. I personally refinished the gun as shown in the picture below. You can imagine my frustration when I took the gun to my (former) gunsmith for some work and he thoughtfully put an idiot mark on my newly refinished gun.

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    anyone have a pic of an idiot scratch for someone who is yet to see one?

    i take it it's damage done due to lack of knowledge and skill in handling a gun.
     
  11. gc70

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    Here is a thread with pictures of idiot marks.
     
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    It was his first gun, and it was new. I would be a little upset too. OP believe me, if you do anything with it other then keeping it in a safe this won't be the last scratch you get on it. Try some Metal Glo, I have found it wks better then Fletz. Good luck and enjoy, also welcome to the 1911 family. Their like Lays Potato Chips. you can't have just one.
     
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    gc70, How on earth did you take that photo? The first one that is.
     
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    I'd have probably been upset too, if it was my first gun and all. If it's going to get scratched, and it will, I want to do it myself. ;)

    Years ago, when I bought my first Jeep CJ-5, the old fellow who owned the dealership came out as I was getting in to leave, came out and pointed to a power line dirt road across the street. "Go ahead and take it down there and get it scratched RIGHT NOW, and you'll never have to worry about it again." It was good advice. :eek: :D
     
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    Sorry bout your gun:( I had a brand new CZ75B, that I was shooting at an indoor range, when the cease fire command was givin. The range owner used my lane to climb over the barrier to go downrange, he slid my pistol over so he wouldn't step on it, scratching it in the process. Its got many others on it now, but I put them on it!
     
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    That guy would have been BUYING me a new pistol.
     
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    My son took the photo.
     
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    GC, did your son ever consider a job as photographer for National Geographic? I asked another THR member about his camera and his response was that most people already have more camera than they know how to use.................yes OP, sorry, I realize that I digress......
     
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    Wait till you get an ar everbody wants to show you how to take it apart. My brother in law swears he was an armor in the Army he has took 2 of my ar's down and I had to put both of them back together. I wont mention what the pins looked like. I do have to say that it was somewhat ammusing to watch him trying to get bolt back in.
     
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    1911's get ugly fast when you actually shoot/carry/train with them. Give it 5 years of wear and tear then get it refinished. Maybe a rust resistant melonite coating. If one idiot scratch bothers you then your going to be hurting bad soon. Get over the bling. My favorite guns are by far the most ugly.

    Real tools get scratched up. Any gun of mine that sits in the safe "scratch free" too long gets sold.
     
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    I feel the OP's pain. Yes, it's a tool and tools that are used gets dents, dings, scratches, etc. However, an "idiot mark" is the result of something done improperly: a badge of incompetence. That it was done by someone else just adds insult to injury. A competent smith should be able to clean up such a mark on a stainless gun in short order and at a reasonable price. DIY would involve, sanding out the mark (use a sanding block on the flats), matching the rest of the finish (directional sanding in the 400-600 grit range), taping off and blasting the matte finish area.
    Regards,
    Greg

    BTW, that's very good advice that Jolly Roger gives below and worth a try before more drastic action.
     
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    Red ScotchBrite abrasive pad rubbed in line with the grain in the brushed finish. DO NOT rub back and forth as the abrasive will leave swirl scratches that will show up easily. Apply the pad to the surface and stroke the pad one way and lift it off. Repeat as necessary. Works for me and I scratched my new Springer stainless .45 early on. :scrutiny: It passes muster now with no evidence of my carelessness.
    Joe
     
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    You should see the idiot mark I put on my high gloss blued 1991A1. I hate it but I learned to embrace it and got on with my life.
     
  24. Al LaVodka

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    Sorry your first and new gun got a scratch. In the long run, it won't matter. Stuff happens. Let your friend know how ya feel but shrug it off with him -- its not really him, its the scratch, and he IS a friend. Choose not to look at it everytime you shoot or take it apart until you scratch it up yourself, take a deep breath, and move on. Again, in the long run, we're all dead.
    Al
     
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    This, I can't argue W/
     
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