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"IED" Found at SF Starbucks

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Cosmoline, Jan 10, 2006.

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  1. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Member

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    In yet another example of major city police departments viewing their mission as military rather than legal, the SF PD announced that it had found an "IED" in a Starbucks today. Turns out it was a large firecracker in a flashlight. But instead of saying "pipe bomb" they pushed the military term "IED."

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/09/starbucks.bomb/index.html

    A Starbucks employee found the device about 1:15 p.m. (4:15 p.m. ET) on the coffee shop's bathroom floor, police spokesman Neville Gittens said.

    "If it had detonated, it would have caused damage," Gittens said. "It was what we consider an IED," an improvised explosive device.

    The device was not concealed, he said. Gittens would not describe the explosive's appearance.

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    -because apparently the contents were a large firecracker.
     
  2. Norm357

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    IED has been in common usage for at least 20 years with the PDs around here. Things might be different in your neck of the woods.

    Norm
     
  3. cosine

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    IED sure isn't common around here. Around here they just say "bomb."

    However, I don't know what to say about this. I don't want to say this is the advancement of the militarization of the police, because a firecracker in a flashlight can be correctly described as an "improvised explosive device" instead of a bomb.
     
  4. Cosmoline

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    Given the situation in Iraq, I think "IED" means something more than a small pipe bomb to most people. Maybe it's a regional thing, but I've always heard the term "pipe bomb" used for this sort of device.
     
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    Around here they compare firecrackers to 1/4,1/2, ect. sticks of dynamite and grossly exacerbate the device every time.:fire:
     
  6. rick_reno

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    SFPD no doubt wants to dip their hand deeper into the Homeland Security Money Pot (recently announced).
     
  7. Zedicus

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    Also IED has become a Media Buzzword lately....:banghead:
     
  8. Firethorn

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    Yeah, that's pretty much it.

    The military uses the term IED to distinguish between improvised explosives and military, factory produced, explosive devices such as grenades, landmines, and bombs. Because of the variety and individualness of IED's, they're considered more dangerous to handle/disarm, so they're generally blown up on location.

    The thing is, the police can generally call everything they get a 'bomb' because it's rare that they get something that's not an IED.
     
  9. Janitor

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    Why would they need HS money, when they could simply make explosives illegal?
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  10. feedthehogs

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    "BOMB" is not tactical enough.

    I think my wife had an IUD explode once, maybe we can use that.

    It would distinguish between military and civilian.
     
  11. El Tejon

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    No big deal, IED="cool guy word"

    Coppers want to be cool and talk about how tough they are, have tactical sunglasses and give themselves cool nicknames like "Bad Karma" or "Shadow Killer" or whatever. I could care less.:D

    Militree teaches the po-po at their bomb schools. So, they pick up the jargon to confuse us mere civilians.:D

    Now, if San Fransico becomes Iraq, the residents of San Fransico will be begging to be put in Abu Grab prison. It's just Castro Street on a Saturday night.:D
     
  12. buzz_knox

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    Pipe bomb gets construed as a local event ("stupid kids") and the feds aren't interested. IED gets construed as a possible terrorist act and the feds send money. So, using the right buzz words gets you money.
     
  13. HighVelocity

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    If the Unibomber were to start today, everything he built would be called an IED by the press.
    The acronym IED will be this years WMD for the press. It's always got to be something. :rolleyes:


    edited to add: We've got to ban Starbucks! It's for the children.
     
  14. bogie

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    And remember that a homemade "firecracker" can blow your fool hand off... Or blow up a perfectly good portapottie... I've got a friend who made up a stash of Knob Creek Firecrackers, and never used 'em - I figure sooner or later we'll have a stump to get rid of...
     
  15. 1911 guy

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    Protect and serve morped into high speed, low drag

    Some of you have, in my opinion, hit the nail on the head. Nobody wants to be a cop to do something for a community anymore, it's gotten to be all about the tacticool stuff. Dealing with the cops after several break ins at my shop, the older cops manage to do a good job and spend twenty, sometimes more on a police force. Many are known by name in the streets they work. Most of the "new guys" are image driven and gotta have the latest gadgets, yet never get around to actually doing anything. The hip terminology is just an outgrowth of that attitude.
     
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    1911, to me it's more amusing than anything else. Sort of like the chubby guy with the goatee at the carbine class who has all sorts of "operator" gear on and speaks in the cool guy jargon from his SEEL Team 37.5 days.:D Younger brothers monkey their big brothers, same with cops. No big deal.

    However, I guess there is a point where that lingo is a reflection of something much more disturbing, e.g. wearing masks and pointing guns at people as during the Beltway Sniper case.:eek: :uhoh:
     
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    you should write for saturday night live. they need some fresh air right now.
     
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    hey it even happens in the military. in our squadron, we had a new, week-old LT who was on the phone, probably talking to mom about how "haj likes his mortars". meaning that he had experienced a mortar attack at the hands of iraqis. like his mom knows who the hell "haj" were, or what a mortar was for that matter. it's silly to try to impress people. better to keep quite and just observe. not to mention how goofy it looks when you abuse lingo as a new guy. the cool people are always on to you(currently looking over shoulder):uhoh:
     
  19. yucaipa

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    I bet Feinstein & Boxer are hot-footin-it over (as I type) to the DHS demanding that Ca. receive another 100 million in federal funds. :D
     
  20. 1911 guy

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    Chubby gut with a goatee?!

    Hey, I resemble that remark!
     
  21. Old Dog

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    Ah ... maybe in your neck of the woods you've encountered a few guys who give you that impression. But you've provided a gross generalization here. Yeah, there's a lotta guys wanna be "operators" instead of officers or deputies ... but, being from a family of cops and having served as a reserve in a couple departments, I don't see this nearly as much as some on this forum would like to believe ... Then again, maybe it's a regional thing. We've got pretty low-key law enforcement up here, and most of the guys I know here are sincere professionals pretty respectful of the citizens they serve (and many actually take that aspect seriously, hard as it may be for y'all to believe).

    And hey, "IED" does sound more serious on the evening news than "pipe bomb." Around here, the news says pipe bomb, you figure high school boys experimenting ... Now, IED -- that says terrorist.
     
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    El Tejon's Posts +1

    Not to mention "jargon" does well with Media - Sensationalism Sells.

    Today little Johnny abraded his patella ... <gasp! horrors! newsbimbo just going on>

    Just tell me the kid skinned his knee.

    I used to get tickled when a Retired SWAT buddy of mine and I would be out and about...We are going to get a bite to eat and then go shoot. "Honey, we are going to eat and go shoot, need anything on my way back in?"

    Guys at the range were teaching HIM about cool guns and "I called my old lady to tell her I was taking a 10-8 - or whatever".

    His word for bomb...as he knew a bit about this..."bomb".
    "Yeah Joe, send the dumb robot to get the bomb...we are watching for activity on the wherever."

    Range : So old timer what are shooting?

    "A gun, first a blue one then I might shoot a stainless one" :D

    50 YARDS with a handgun , revolver or semi...groups tight!

    Team Walrus shooting shotgun patterns at 5 yds with cool factor handguns.

    But hey it sells...Marketing sells Media, panic, cool-factor...allows one to buy skill and targets.

    I grew up Civil Defense drills and we did these and discussed what to do if we [kids] found a blasting cap.

    So one day downtown, construction going on I see something funny. I walk to corner and get the Cop that walked the beat. "Officer, come with me - I think I see something like a blasting cap".
    So we walk back and I pointed thru the plywood holes they had for folks to see stuff being built. He calls in, Fire Dept guys were called, and a Construction Guy goes over...looks, and this blasting cap is indeed NOT live...just the same it was one.

    No big media deal, no big deal with Police or Fire Dept. Just stuff falls off at times. "Thanks kid" . "Your Welcome...can I see it?" :) I got to hold a blasting cap not live. Neato. :D

    Times have changed for sure - they just did not go into Panic mode everytime something happened, and folks were Responsible for themselves.
     
  23. Zedicus

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    Realy? that must mean that most of the members here are all Nobodys then....
    (Not Meaning to Flame, just pointing out a bad choice of words :) )

    The Media and there Buzzwords is somewhat like a Small Child that Learns a New word, and Said word proceeds to be used to death for at least a few days.....
     
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    Interesting to see this thread. I too found it weird that of all the serveral times I have seen this in the news, only once on CNN when it happened I heard it was a firecracker inside of a plastic flashlight. Now I cannot see any comments, other then no comments will be made about the device.

    If it is just as simple as that, calling it a pipe bomb is a stretch. I find that the rush to sensationlize an event seems to go beyond the realm of media often, and many commen people don't understand the difference.
     
  25. 1911 guy

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    I'm not saying there are no good cops.

    But I am saying that, in my experience, the police I have dealt with fall into two camps usually divided by age. Those over forty or so tend to be community minded and courteous whether they're responding at your request or to your speeding, etc., while the vast majority of those younger tend to be gung-ho types with no regard for how their actions affect community perception or interpersonal reaction during a call or stop. After all, they're cops and you're not. As far as regional, this is my observation in Ca., Va., Nv., N.M., and Oh. If you live in an area with effective and low key law enforcement, apreciate it. Not everyone is so lucky.
     
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