If gun control were up to you!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by RM, Jul 14, 2003.

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  1. gego

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    I don't know about this thread. I would have thought that everyone understood the natural right we have, not from government, but because it is a principal of nature that defense is necessary for any animal to survive. Yet there are all sorts of limitations that seem to be acceptable and even the advocacy of forced education and forced involuntary servitude to a master state. I think that freedom is poorly understood.

    No wonder the second amendment has failed so miserably. Apparently Zumbo was not alone.
     
  2. Cuda

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    Eliminate lawyers. They are a major reason there are so many laws..

    But seriously we already have the one and only gun control law we need, it's called the 2A.. Now if you are a BG and use a gun in the commision of a crime the punishment should be so harsh you'll never do it again... And once you've done your time, unless someone can show me in the Constitution where it is not allowed you should be given back that right...


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  3. Elza

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    1) A reasonable age of majority for ownership with no restrictions on what may be owned.
    2) Mandatory prison time for the commission of a crime using a weapon.
    A) No bodily harm first offence: 10 years without parole to be served first and consecutively with any other sentence(s)
    B) No bodily harm second offence: 20 years without parole to be served first and consecutively with any other sentence(s)
    C) No bodily harm third offence: Life without parole.
    D) With bodily harm: Life without parole.
     
  4. Professor K

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    No restrictions on weapon ownership/purchase. Just let capitalism take it's course.

    In schools, I'd teach marksmanship in various stages in gym class, along with wargaming (airsoft type games), kendo/fencing, archery, and of course, dodgeball, soccer, weight lifting, ect. Like in elementary school, kids will get to use air rifles, in 5-7, they can mess with .22 rifles and pistols, and get to use a 20 gauge shotgun, in 8-10 is high school (no 11th or 12th grade in government schools, 11th and 12th grade would optimally be a "free" years, where you can work or just mess around, or if you wanted, you could go to more school somewhere else). In 8th grade, you'll be instructed in usage of full caliber rifles, in 9th the usage of pistols and shotguns, along with a semi auto only variant of current military issue rifle. In 10th, you will get to learn to use the service rifle, along with all the other small arms the military uses. They'd also learn basic military stuff and various other stuff.

    Pacifist parents may let their kids out of those parts of gym class, and all the pacifist kids will get a ball and a field to go play in and a supervisor while all the other kids are having fun.

    Military service isnt required, but all people who join the military and go through basic will get to keep whatever they're issued with. However, during your military career, you will get issued 100 rounds of ammo, and you must be accountable for it (Swiss style).

    Way tougher penalties for all violent crimes. No laws against drugs or alcohol.

    I guess that's some of what I'd do in my country.
     
  5. mp510

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    I would set the minimum right to purchase age at 17, coincidental with the minimum age set forth for the unorganized militia of the US. I don't see a problem with a truly functional instacheck system, if not but to verify elgibility of first time buyers. I believe that the NRA prefer the current 18/21 rule and they already support NICS.

    NICS- first time purchase only. If someone has a gun (and can prove it) they can already do damage if they go nutty. I could accept a brief questionaree (like the CT DPS-67-C Form, that serves as an affidavit form of verifying eligibility.
    The NRA supports background checks.

    NO AWB, Prohibited handguns, etc...
    NRA pretty much has the same position, except on plastic guns

    No NFA. An M-16 is the same whether it's being carried by a GI or a civilian.
    I have no clue what NRA would go for on this

    Disabling factors
    • Violent Felony Conviction (rape, manslaughter, assault, etc....)
    • Drug trafficing convictions
    • diagnosed mental illness that could prevent an individual from appropriately using a firearm
    • A physical disability that causes an individual to recklessly handle a firearm (an individual in question could be tested, and if disqualified can qualify later by passing a basic, practical, gun handling test.
    I believe NRA would stick with the current rules.

    I think I screwed up royally. You seem to have given me an autocratic position and I am ensuring my subjects have a means by which to overthrow me. At least I don't have to worry about reelection;)
     
  6. Frog48

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    No gun laws at all. Violent crimes, regardless what sort of weapon is used, would all be treated the same.
     
  7. Glockfan.45

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    The key word here is animal. Like it or not a certian degree of law and control became needed when humans first formed nations, and began moving into cities. Absolute unrestricted freedom and civilization do not work well together. Now I have yet to read a responce to this thread where anybody has said that none have the right to defend themselves. Now what degree of law and control to maintain a prosperous society is debatable.

    Define violent crime. If I fight you in a bar (violent crime) is it the same as robbing you with a knife, gun, ect in your court?
     
  8. Lt. G

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    none, open carry should be allowed in all the USA. In fact make it mandatory to have each household be issued one long gun and one pistol and have to qual every year with them.

    Felons different story, case by case basis.
     
  9. Professor K

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    Regarding felons, once they get out prison/probation, then they should have the same rights as everyone else. Whatever happened to the whole "have a nice life" thing. I think partially one of the reasons felons are bad when they come out again, is that they're basically being told they're still criminals anyway, but they want more space. The other reason is that they're not in there long enough much of the time. Also, by some current state laws, you can be a felon for shoplifting 300 bucks worth of stuff (an iPod?)

    Now, stealing an iPod is definitely punishable, but not punishable by having some constitutional rights taken from you, and spending your whole rest of your life under state supervision cuz you stole an ipod at 19.
     
  10. wjustinen

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    All laws relating to

    the use, carriage, or possession of weapons of any type would be null and void.

    Of course I'm a Canadian, resident in Canada, so I would hope that my authority to change the law would also apply here at home.

    Same thing.

    Even scum have a right to defend their lives, and the lives of their loved ones. That applies to defense of their nation as well.

    :what: :confused: :eek: :uhoh:

    That's what 2A is about.
     
  11. TallPine

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    Repeal all gun laws back to and including 1934 NFA.

    CCW allowed without a permit (as per 2A - it doesn't say anything about "concealment").

    I'm okay with "usage" laws, for instance prohibiting discharge within city limits except in self defense.

    I might even be okay with some kind of law that prohibited those with a felony record from carrying concealed. It wouldn't really do much good though :rolleyes:
     
  12. HiroProX

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    No type restrictions, no more FFLs, nada, zip.

    Commit murder with any kind of weapon, automatic first degree murder. By placing a hand on a weapon and then using it to kill another person not in self defense, the criminal had full intent to kill.
     
  13. md7

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    the constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms period. as such, there should not really be any laws pertaining to citizens being able to buy, keep, carry firearms etc. an honest person that buys a gun is not going to endanger anyone with it. the danger comes from someone that already has it in them to do wrong, and no gun law is going to prevent them from whatever they have already decided to do. (in washington d.c. guns are illegal and crime is very high) to sum it all up, gun laws are ineffective and unconstitutional. the only people affected by these restrictive laws are the people that are already obeying the law while the criminals continue to bypass the law and prey upon citizens that have been disarmed.
     
  14. Anonymous Coward

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    So...how do you guys figure on keeping guns (including machine guns) out of the hands of felons?

    Not your problem, right, as long as you're not one of the victims?
     
  15. Rev. DeadCorpse

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    By keeping violent felons in jail. Execution for repeat offenders. Not to mention the ever popular "death by intended victim" that allowing the free exercise of our Second Amendment Rights would entail.

    "Shall not be infringed". If you can afford it, and store it/shoot it without harming your neighbors...

    Go for it...
     
  16. Speer

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    Absolutely goddamn right.
     
  17. DomMega

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    I would federally override the states that invoke law abiding victims, like oh say, CALIFORNIA! Everyone would be able to carry self-protection handguns anywhere in the country at any time. Any type of weapon (within reason) would be able to be purchased. No anti-tank guns are nuclear warheads and such would be allowed to be purchased, however I think only the rich would be able to afford such things anyway. Firearms would bring families together instead of create taboo ideals of violence. People could wake up on a Sunday morning and take the wife and kids to the range for competion shooting and tournaments. The general population would see firearms as a way of recreation and self-preservation, as well as a way to bring the family unit together throughout America.

    I would of course use Switzerland as the model country for my campaign.

    What's sad is the lawful gun owners that do have them, end up getting disarmed in major disasters by local law enforcement when they need those weapons most. It's like, what's the point?
     
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    Even scum have a right to defend their lives, and the lives of their loved ones. That applies to defense of their nation as well.


    Not if they've already made an attempt on someone else's life. At that point they have no rights, they're just allowed to exist, nothing more.
     
  19. TCB in TN

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    Reading a few posts would have let you in on this one pretty quick. Felons belong in JAIL! Violent felons deserve major time, IF they do get out and do it again, well they shouldn't get out a 2nd time. BTW if we put felons away for a LONG time and make prison a very BAD place then maybe they will think twice about ever doing it again. Just another idea is the liberal use of the death penalty for those OHHHHH so deserving of it.
     
  20. SWMAN

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    I'd make it mandatory that kids in elementary school health classes receive instruction in the safe handling of guns. If the libs and the Brady Gang are sooooo concerned about our children's safety, they'd be advocating this too. Trouble is, I think their afraid the kids may become more progun and not as antigun as they'd like them to be if they knew more about guns.:what:
     
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    "So...how do you guys figure on keeping guns (including machine guns) out of the hands of felons?":banghead:

    It is not possible to keep guns out of the hands of felons. Therefor, it is not logical to accept restrictions on the rest of us.

    As for what to do about the bad guys, that isn't "gun control" - trigger control maybe - but not "gun control."
     
  22. TEDDY

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    when the gov makes felons out of all citizens then what do you do.think about all the laws that are not enforced because there stupid.how about the blue laws.what is the 14th amendment?other than civil rights violations there were no gun laws until the 1900s.if you know of any you may correct me.most gun laws started were to restrict a class of people.:banghead:
     
  23. fedlaw

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    Why not do it the Dianne Feinstein/Chuckie (I'm an alpha male) Schumer way: Guns for me and none for you? This seems to work for the folks who elected* these people.

    *At least in Illinois (meaning Chicago), we've done away with actual elections and substituted a system whereby the Friends of Richie, Rod, Todd, etc., get to perpetuate their own existence and enrich their friends (meaning folks that pay to play) at the same time.
     
  24. Erebus

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    My Rules

    Rule#Only A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    Militia is for the defense of the homeland from invaders. Active duty military goes overseas. Citizens of militia age will be in the militia and will report for range practice and instruction at set intervals. Militia members must be armed. They will therefore be issued the standard infantry rifle and a standard issue sidearm. They will be issued ammo, they will use that ammo to practice. They will have an ammo allowance so that they will have sufficient ammo to practice without going overboard. Anyone not possessing the intestinal fortitude to fulfill their duties as citizens will be sent to Camp Ermey for proper training and conditioning. Legal immigrants will have the choice to participate in the militia system. If they opt out and the SHTF they may end up on their own. Illegals will be immediately deported upon identification as such. Repeat offenders will be considered spies and dealt with as such. Illegals crossing the border in a time of war will immediately be considered spies and dealt with as such. If the SHTF and a citizen runs away to Canada or any other country they will be assumed to be a traitor and an invader if they return and dealt with as such.

    Anyone not in jail or prison will have full rights to purchase, transfer, construct, or in any other way possess any infantry weapon they choose. An infantry weapon would be defined as anything an infantryman can carry. Hopefully this would cause judges so really consider who they cut loose. No one who has paid their debt to society as determined in a court of law will be denied their right to self defense.

    No special penalties for crimes committed with guns. Assault, murder, robbery, and such already have penalties. Crimes committed while armed already carry a more severe penalty regardless of what the weapon is. That seems fair to me. I don't expect there to be a big problem with home invasions when every home contains one or more automatic rifles and a corresponding number of handguns.
     
  25. jahwarrior

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    this is a loaded question. i personally do believe in a certain level of gun control. i think there are a lot of stupid, reckless people out there, who have no business carrying a potato, much less a weapon. and, before anyone flames me for saying that, yes, i know, there is the second amendment to consider. but consider this: do you want the potential child molester/serial rapist/drug dealer/mass murder to own a handgun? and AR15? i know i don't. i believe in background checks. i think anyone who clears a federal criminal check should be allowed to carry in an unlimited fashion anywhere in the US. i also believe in mandatory firearm safety classes for owners. we require people to get driver's licenses and take a minimum of 2 hours of safe driver's ed, why not guns? i think anyone who has a felony arrest for a violent/sexual crime should not be allowed to own a firearm. any felon/ex-felon caught with a firearm should receive a mandatory sentence of 10 years in a federal penitentiary for gun possession. yes, FEDERAL prison. i personally don't like that gun laws vary from state to state. question: why should i worry about if i can carry my gun with me while on vacation? answer: i shouldn't have to. i think gun licensing should be federal, not state, regulated. i just know people are gonna freak on me about that.
     
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