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If I get pulled over, Im probably going to jail

Discussion in 'Legal' started by DontBurnMyFlag, Oct 14, 2005.

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  1. DontBurnMyFlag

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    Ok, So Mauser88 started a thread about getting pulled over and detained in NJ if you have a gun in your car. My problem is very similar.

    I have a yugo SKS which I take to the range often. It is often confused with an assault weapon in NJ, since it has a grenade launcher and bayonet, however it has a non-detachable mag, and therefore legal in NJ. Another problem, is that I drive a Volvo Stationwagon, I do not have a trunk, I have a hatch. So when I transport my rifle, is it considered being in the back seat of my car?

    Also, My rifle case is a plastic bushmaster case that does not lock. It snaps shut, but there are no places for a lock and it doesnt have internal combination locks. Can this get me in trouble as well???

    What I intend to have happen, if I ever get pulled over on my way to the range is this: I get arrested for having an assault weapon in an unlocked case in the backseat of my car!!!!

    Is this what is to be expected? What about gun owners who have a pick-up truck, how do they transport their guns in NJ???

    Make the gun laws clearer, better and more efficient.....by eliminating them!!! :cuss:

    Its what the govt does best, takes something simple...and complicates it!!!
     
  2. spacemanspiff

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    or you can splurge on a $30 hard case for your rifles that do lock.

    $30?
    or risk getting arrested because the law is poorly written and its enforcers may not understand or comprehend the laws intentions?
     
  3. Lupinus

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    I assume your case has a handle for carrying? Find a lock with a large enough hoop (or whatever the technicle term is) to fit arounf the carry handle and there you go, it is locked. If you can't find a lock with ab ig enough loop try maybe drilling a hole in the plastic. Or if all else fail's, get a short length of chain and wrap it around the handle, and lock the chain link.

    EDITED ADD ON- Also, get a small lock box and keep the ammo up front with you in the lock box with the now locked case all the way as far possible in the back.
     
  4. geekWithA.45

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    NJ statutes require the armament to be unloaded, enclosed and secured. Boxes with locks are best, but the statute even mentions "securely tied packages" so presumably string would suffice.

    It also seems to be accepted that when a traditional trunk isn't available, "farthest from the driver" is the way to go.


    Finally, don't sweat it too much, as long as you're going directly to or from a range. I used to goto the range with a jersey legal AR er, XM in the trunk pretty regularly, and was fully prepared to keep my trap shut if pulled over.

    Stealth is you friend in NJ.
     
  5. DontBurnMyFlag

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    well, i have been attaching a cable gun lock to the carry handle, but I still assumed I would get in trouble because it wasnt manufactured that way. Im sure they would find something to press charges about.
     
  6. Working Man

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    They move to Texas. :neener:
     
  7. Lupinus

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    That would work equally well. Built in or not, the case is still locked and you have no reasonable to get at the weapon and load it while driving, or getting it loading it and firing before a cop has a chance to choot you. Certianly not anymore so then if the case has built in lock's.

    They may bust your chops but you at least have a strong leg to stand on.
     
  8. RavenVT100

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    Ask yourself this: If you commit a traffic infraction, what probable cause exists to search your car?

    Don't leave gun-related stuff laying around in the car. Have the car clean. If the officer asks permission to search your car, don't give it. If he didn't have to ask permission for a search, he wouldn't; you'd simply be ordered to step out of the car and the search would be carried out anyway.

    Finally, it might pay to have a copy of the statute and guidelines from the AG in the case with the guns. That's been suggested to me by a few people who are experienced with doing traffic stops and searching for weapons.
     
  9. DontBurnMyFlag

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    yea i never store ammo in the case and it is always in my trunk hatch thingy.

    The Nj statute doesnt say anything about a locked case, just a secured one.

    I think I am worrying too much. I always have my FID on me, unloaded firearm as far from me as possible, and I usually buy ammo at the range.

    My next preparation is moving to PA. Land of high caps and AK-47s for $200!!

    Thanks for the suggestions and back up guys.


    Raven, good idea. I will print out the statutes and hi-lite anything I might find useful. Maybe if I print out some names of firearms lawyers and have those papers thrown in the back too, it might make em back off. lol
     
  10. Lupinus

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    Wait till you try and buy a car in PA lol

    I lived in PA for roughly three year's. And getting ANYTHING done in that state is a pain in the ass. And every little thing need's to be noterized.

    And try selling or buying a car in PA from someone else and not a dealer.

    And do not expect to be able to go to the DMV to register your vehicle and do title transfer's.

    Nope.

    You have to go to a title and tag place which is privatly owned and pay their private fee of like 50 dollar's (was the going rate in the area I lived) ontop of the state's fee's and tax's and such.

    And if you go to the pocono's, you will interact with just as many if not more idiot's as in jersey. Damn near everyone in the pocono's or surounding area is from jersey or ny.

    It isn't worth it. Move south :evil:
     
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    what about north, like maine, vermont or NH, im not a fan of heat. Virginia is about as south as I will go. :neener:
     
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    Theres no reason to live east of the Mississippi. :neener:
     
  13. Kurush

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    I thought we were talking about guns not cars. PA has very liberal gun laws, our only bad laws are: no cash & carry, no guns (or slingshots) in state parks, and FFLs are required by law to give you a budweiser ad when they sell you a gun. I kid you not. Our CCW law is very liberal, no classes fingerprints etc, just $19 and a background check. There are some clusters of NY/NJ style vermin in the far east of the state, but we have statewide preemption so just ignore them and they'll have no choice but to ignore you.
     
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    Go to your local sheriff's office. Ask for 5 or 6 of those cute little "Operation Child Safe" locks. They have a long, flexible, plastic coated bicycle cable like thingy. Hook one through the handle and daisy chain enough of them together so that they make it alla way around your case and not allow enough space to open it. :D

    PS. Yes, they make great bicycle locks.
     
  15. Lupinus

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    I know it's not about car's. And I know it's mostly the east of the state that has been invaded

    But....PA....Nice state and all but I could do without living there agian.

    Course, in PA it's a pain to transfer a car. And in FL very few people should be allowed car's with the way they drive.
     
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    My 11yo daughter uses the one that came with Mossberg shotgun on her bike at school.

    Sad thing is, here the the western 'burbs of King Richie's Land of Bribes, Kickbacks and Corruption (aka Chicago), it hasn't raised any eyebrows, because none of the teachers know what a Mossberg is.

    The free ones from Operation "Childsafe" also work well on gates/fences.

    DBMF,

    I get the impression that you want to be the test case ???
     
  17. Ryder

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    I did this today. Unfortunately my car wasn't "clean" and I decided it was better to open the tin of breath mints rather than give him a reason to riip my car to pieces after having already denied him permission.

    Amazing what they consider probable cause. Thank goodness I didn't have a coffee can on me! :p

    As to pickup trucks, don't know about NJ but around we just leave them in the open bed if there is no lock. Inaccessability is the objective. Theft of my property by a criminal isn't much of a consideration in relation to protection from the law.
     
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    I know how you feel man.. I'm a fellow new jersyian. Just turned 18 so I went to to the police station to obtain papers for a FID card. The lady behind the counter gave me so much attitude. "You're aware you cant buy a handgun, ya know that?!" "You know it'll take like 6 MONTHS!?". Like she was trying to discourage me. I simply smiled and said, "I'm fully aware ma'm." Anyways, not only do i have to fill out mental health forms(which need to be signed by a doctor) but i also got to pay the station 65 bucks, and go for fingerprints next week. To hell with new jersey!
     
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    I got one for $10 at the range/gunshop where I shoot. I guess it was such a low-end case nobody wanted it and the shop owner was tired of looking at it. It's just blow-molded plastic, and the lock is a cheap Wal-Mart padlock rather than a fancy built-in locking latch but, hey ... the law says "locked," it doesn't say "expensive."
     
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    As in beer? Why? that makes no sense, your joking right!?!?
     
  21. MikeIsaj

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    Here's a solution, move to Pennslvania. One month later with your new carry permit, strap your handgun on your hip, put your unloaded assault weapon, detachable mag removed, in the backseat, and have a nice day. On the way to the range, stop at the gun shop and buy a new handgun on impulse.

    Why does anyone still live in that state?
     
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    You should know that it's illegal them to require you to violate doctor-patient privilege unless you've made an identifiable threat against yourself or someone else, or if it is material to a criminal investigation. All they're allowed to do is check if you've been involuntarily committed to a facility or placed in a psychiatric hold (again, involuntarily).

    Basically, being forced to disclose a private conversation with a physician is the equivalent of being forced to disclose a private conversation with your attorney. i.e., it's illegal.

    Like I said, next time you hear a representative of the Democratic party claiming to care about a person's civil liberties, think about this for a second and see if it parses.
     
  23. idakfan

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    Conceal it in your car with a bunch of blankets and such.

    What's the big deal? Been pulled over many times myself and never asked if I had a gun in my car.

    Then again I don't live in NJ... Then again if I did mabye I misheard the question and while acting completely normal said "No."

    Since when did it become a police officers business if you have a gun in your vehicle or not? That's absolutely IRRELEVANT. Write ticket, drive away, done.
     
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    "Papers Please!" lol..damn Nazi state...

    it is so stupid these laws..if someone has it in them to shoot a cop, than some dopey law about not having ammo near the gun isnt going to do anything...he is gonna murder someone, so why would he care if he breaks that stupid little law...Left Socialist thinking at its finest...

    I grew up in New Jerksey, and will never go near that state again....In florida I can cary a loaded AR in my car with me, as long as it is concelealed...:D:D
     
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    He said ad, as in Advertisement.
     
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