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If I want a small light weight 9mm....

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by ezypikns, Jan 17, 2006.

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  1. ezypikns

    ezypikns Member

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    for personal defense, I think my choices are pretty much a Glock, an XD, or maybe a Kahr. It should be as reliable as possible, and fairly easy to carry. I'm just wondering if I've missed something.

    Opinions?
     
  2. TC-TX

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    Do yourself a BIG favor and consider the Taurus PT111... Hi Capacity, Lightweight, Great Shooter and Great Price!

    How can you go wrong?
     
  3. atblis

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    The Kahrs look really really interesting though. I am a CZ nut, and the Kahrs have me taking a really good look at them.
     
  4. oneslowgun

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    Depending on your definition of "light", I have found that the CZ P-01 is a real fine pistol. Also, while I haven't had a chance yet to try out a CZ RAMI, I have heard good things about this little "Pocket Rocket".

    Just as a side note, "Light Weight" dosen't really seem to be a factor if you go with high end leather. The "fit" of your holster makes a real differance on perceived weight of the piece.

    Of course, YMMV, and this is only MY opinion.:scrutiny:
     
  5. Steelharp

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    My personal experience only... the Kahr's I've had should have been spelled C-R-A-P. I know that isn't the case for everyone, probably for a limited few... but I'll never own another one.
     
  6. Lonestar.45

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    The Rohrbaughs have intrigued me, except for the price.

    I've got a Kahr PM9 less than 6 mos old, and I've been happy with it. No malfunctions, 400 rds and counting.
     
  7. grimjaw

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    the Kahr's I've had should have been spelled C-R-A-P

    I've had the opposite experience, and have even considered getting another one. K9 works for me perfectly. I'm not interested in their polymer line, though.

    CZ P-01 is another interesting one, but I haven't been able to shoot or handle one.

    Steyr S9 or M9.

    Walther P99, but definitely handle one before buying. They're different.

    jmm
     
  8. Croyance

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    When I was in a similar situation, the only choises you listed that were availible were the Kahr and the Glock. For various reasons, I chose the Kahr and have been very happy.

    For what its worth, if possible I choose to wear a little more and conceal a Commander sized 1911 or a Browning HiPower. If I could find one at a reasonable price, a S&W 39 series would be nice, that single stack frame probably lie pretty flat.
     
  9. thepanda

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    I'd have to agree with the CZs and would also suggest a Beretta Cougar. The Mini Cougars and Cougar L are both a good size for carry, are infinitely reliable, and come chambered in a multitude of options (.357, .40, .45, 9mm). My pick would be the Cougar L because it's grip falls right between that of a full size and a mini, is slimmer than a full size Cougar, has a good defense capacity (13 rounds of 9mm ammunition), and I just bought one. :rolleyes:
     
  10. The-Fly

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    while its not super light, the G26 is a great carry gun. 11+1 rounds using a pierce finger extension, highly accurate and low recoil.
     
  11. oneslowgun

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    Dangit Panda, I have been trying to find a Couger L to try out for a while now. Why do all you guys keep teasing me with pistols I cant get ahold of?;) Next I suppose someone is gonna say they have a Taurus .410 revolver. :banghead: :D

    You guys are killin' me!:)
     
  12. thepanda

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    There was one on Gunbroker for quite a while going for $399, but it was finally sold a few days ago. I got a great deal on one with 2 10 round mags and 3 13 rounds mags the other day from a private seller on the Beretta forums. If I happen to come across another one I'll send you a PM.
     
  13. DunedinDragon

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    Totally agree on the PT111. It's probably one of the best values out there in a small profile 9mm with LOTS of features and a great finish. The biggest thing you have to deal with on the PT111 is the long trigger pull, which will be the same on the Kahrs and other DA pistols. If that trigger pull seems to long for you then you might want to go with the Glock or XD. They're DA as well, but they don't feel like it as much.

    As for me, the long pull on the PT111 wasn't really that much of a problem because it's very smooth and I'm easily able to hold my sight picture through the pull. I also take solace in the fact that if I'm ever placed into a situation where I have to use it, the longer trigger pull will give me that much more of a moment to consider the action I'm about to take, and potentially back off if necessary. That would be MUCH harder on a Glock or XD. I still carry my Glock 19 on colder days, but on warmer days with less clothes I prefer the PT111.
     
  14. MCgunner

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    I'll stick with my 14 ounce +P capable Kel Tec P11. I shoot it well, it's flawless and accurate. It combines up to 13 rounds of Cor Bon in a tiny little gun for under $300. It's hard to beat. I like the revolver like long DA trigger for CCW carry, too. I don't like the SA like "safe actions" or the Kahr. I have no experience with Taurus's autos. I think I'd want a Kel Tec in preference to a Taurus, though, just because of the factory response. I've heard bad things about Taurus and only good things about Kel Tec as far as servicing the weapons.

    For those who cannot shoot DA revolvers and will not learn, the Kahr and Glock are probably a better choice. I don't like carrying a gun with that light of a trigger and no safeties. I want a real DA trigger, not a 6 lb one with a pull length that resembles a SA with a lot of creep. I think of my little P11 as a flat, light weight, accurate, reliable, easier to carry J frame concealed hammer that shoots a load with snubby .357 ballistics with a lot less flash/bang. It is easier to load than a revolver and carries a lot more ammo on board. It's my favorite carry gun.
     
  15. armoredman

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    CZ PO1. I carry one all day in an IWB rig in AZ heat, no problem. The CZ 2075 RAMI is also a good light small pistol, and my wife loves hers.
     
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    I agree with Mcgunner's assessment of the Kel-Tec P-11. For me, it is the best compromise of all the qualities that I want in a carry gun. I've had mine since 1998 and have not yet seen anything I would trade it for, for its intended purpose.

    Bill
     
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    The new CZ polymer RAMI might be just what you are looking for. It'll do cocked and locked or DA/SA hammer down carry. Its noticably lighter, and thinner in the grip than the standard RAMI.

    The Taurus PT111 is IMHO a very good value and if you like DA revolvers its a good choice but its trigger is not as good as most S&W J-frames.
    The Kahr trigger is to me much better than the PT111 or Glock.

    The Kel-Tec P11 trigger needs help. Is the P11 "drop-safe"? I'd heard it doesn't pass the CA or MA tests, not that these were designed to help gun owners, but they seem a reasonable starting point for a feature I do like on a carry gun -- it should not discharge if dropped from a reasonable height.

    --wally.
     
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    The hard to find Colt Pocketnine.16 ounces unloaded,aluminum alloy frame with a stainless slide.
     
  19. The Real Hawkeye

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    Go with the Kahr. I've had a P9 since they first came out. Super ergonomics, and after many thousands of rounds not a single malfunction, regardless of ammo type. Eventually, a small plastic part did break, but the gun continued to function flawlessly, even with the part breakage. Since I bought my gun, they started using a steel part instead of plastic, so when I sent it back to them for repair, they retrofitted the steel part on mine and sent it back within a week. Still 100% reliable, and now more durable to boot. Cannot recommend it more highly.
     
  20. Brian Williams

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    Keltec p-11 good gun
     
  21. S&W620

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    Many people don't like them, but Glock makes a very nice 9mm.
     
  22. 000Buck

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    I just got a Kahr PM9 last week and fired just short of 200 rounds through it with NO problems. I know others have had problems, but I love this one, it is super tiny for a 9mm and has a great trigger for being so long. Much smaller than a G26, which I love as well, but the G26 is just a bit too big to carry in my front pocket.
     
  23. Rock45

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    I have to second the Walther...or, more accurately, the new Smith SW99OL.
    I have had the full size Walther P99 for way over a year, very impressed...just bought the downsized version ( the S & W ) and will get it to the range very soon for trials...but impressed with the feel of it!

    Bryan
     
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    Another vote for the SW990L. A very nice gun.
     
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