If SBR's are deregulated...

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How big of an impact do you think it will have on the industry? All rifles are based around the 16 inch limit, so it's stifled innovation and limited what the industry designs and produces. Is everyone going to rush out to buy rifles with 10 inch barrels or start slapping buttstocks on their handguns like the Flux Raider or whatever it's called?

It's about a lock that short barrel shotguns are going to take off, we saw how hot the Shockwave was, but for rifles is it really going to send shockwaves thru the industry or has everyone already got their braced AR's and won't bother?
 
Shockwaves? No, but my Shockwave will get a stock. . . and maybe a Serbu SuperShorty little brother to play with. Also, stocks on the ARs, and a stock on the Kuna I want.

I already filled the functional gap in my toolkit left by SBRs, with AR pistols.

The sour spot for me is that the world's about to collapse for the brace manufacturers. Their willingness to hang their butts out there in a financially/legally hazardous industry is what pushed the absurdity of SBR/S regulation into the common mind. We own them our gratitude. . . and they are about to lose their entire customer base.
 
I know a lot of people who like playing with my stuff but don't want to go through the paper work or be "on the radar".

I imagine it would be substantial, not like during panics but people are for the most part making bad decisions during them.
 
jmorris said:
but don't want to go through the paper work or be "on the radar".
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With phones and other electronic devices these days, there is no such thing as off the radar unless you live in a cave etc, so they might as well stop with what has never really been very true anyway. We can't win by hiding, so step up and get on the radar.

But yes, you're right, I have heard it a million times.

I would already do a short barreled Blackout of some kind if it only took one stamp, so if this passes, I would do an SBR AR for subs.
 
I think it will shake up the market a lot, depending on how they do it and how permanent it seems. If removed from the NFA I think that will have far more impact than just dropped the tax down to $0 (to be raised HIGH by the other side down the road).

If it looks permanent I see makers getting into it more with rounds made for a shorter barrel with a can on them. A lot of the new rounds are already made to run in a hunting rifle with 18in or so rather than 22in. So, I would see that getting pushed down to 14in maybe? Won't be magic but they will have a reason to look at new rounds which made less since before the change.

Think about it, a LOT of the gun $$ made over the years was driven by what DC did or didn't do. '86 ban on new machine guns, AWB of 94 then it's sunset, CCW being allowed more, braces bad then OK, etc, etc. So, if the laws change it will drive sales and "innovation".

Not sure much of it will be of interest to me but I'm set in my ways. Would be nice to be able to set up my Contender however I like, that could be a perk.
 
Personally, I don't really have any interest in an SBR, per se, but I do have an interest in something like a 9mm or .45ACP carbine with a 10"ish barrel... and a stock, folding or otherwise. I've found the currently legal 16" barrels on my AR's and other rifles to be perfectly fine... it's not like I'm trying to hide them under my trenchcoat.

I think a lot of these 16" PCC barrels are going to suddenly lose some length if the law changes...
 
I don't think that the deregulation of silencers and SBR's will be all that earth-shaking, given that the NFA process has already been streamlined, and that inflation has eroded the $200 tax to mere nuisance territory. What is important, however, is the precedent this sets. It's the first time the NFA has been significantly rolled back. People are now talking about the NFA's complete elimination. This was unthinkable until very recently.
 
edwardware said:
Shockwaves? No, but my Shockwave will get a stock. . . and maybe a Serbu SuperShorty little brother to play with. Also, stocks on the ARs, and a stock on the Kuna I want.

I already filled the functional gap in my toolkit left by SBRs, with AR pistols.

The sour spot for me is that the world's about to collapse for the brace manufacturers. Their willingness to hang their butts out there in a financially/legally hazardous industry is what pushed the absurdity of SBR/S regulation into the common mind. We own them our gratitude. . . and they are about to lose their entire customer base.
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True, however I will support them if they build a Stock.
 
I hunt mainly with a handgun but i would be very interested in a short barrel bolt gun supressed. Would be handy in a box blind. I shot a friend's 12 inch supessed ar 10 in 308 and was impressed with the handiness . So yes i would add toys based off a simple 4473 paperwork. Never know what someone will come up with all those restrictions lifted. I think it would be a boom for manufacturing .
 
I am a competition shooter, not a game hunter or Operator.
"Pistol braces" are not allowed in IDPA or USPSA although I have seen them slipped in as fako PCCs.
I wonder what the rules will reflect when and if SBRs become regular guns.
Some people will put real stocks on their brace guns, I figure a lot of them will just go on using braces as stocks just as they have been doing all along.
 
I think the industry will get pretty creative if the changes are permanent. I know that I will love buying decent priced factory built bolt rifles with 10"-12" barrels, or compact fully suppressed bolt guns. I'll also have a few short barreled shotguns for defensive use, all that are paperwork, if not cost, prohibitive at the moment. I am not afraid of nfa stuff, as I have a couple nfa items, but being of humble finances, the difficulty of resale keeps me from lots of purchases. Honestly, I can't wait to what happens!
 
TTv2 said:
Is everyone going to rush out to buy rifles with 10 inch barrels or start slapping buttstocks on their handguns like the Flux Raider or whatever it's called?
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What I want that is currently a 2-stamp gun, that I will absolutely order or get built if/when both silencers and SBRs are removed from NFA:

A De Lisle Carbine.

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I'm a poor customer I guess.

I don't want anything shorter than 16" barrel on 5.56 or 7.62x39 and 18-20" on a 308.

I've used suppressed, issued arms and they are useful in certain circumstances. Thankfully they are not circumstances I encounter in retirement and I have utterly no interest in buying one.

I can shoot a pistol well enough that PCCs are simply more cumbersome delivery systems.

I have used issue 14" shotguns and I like them a lot. If deregulation occurs I would definitely acquire a short barrel for one or both my semiauto shotguns.
 
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If it became easier to obtain a SBR and suppressors, I'd probably try one. Probably a 10"-12" 300 Blackout AR-15 with a suppressor. I like the 300 Blackout round and I like AR-15's.

But I played with an AR-15 pistol for a while and was unimpressed. That upper has been long sent down the road.

But don't let my negativity discourage anyone else. Different strokes for different folks.
 
I already have a couple stamped SBR's. I won't convert anything else that way until/unless a barrel is shot out.
 
edwardware said:
Shockwaves? No, but my Shockwave will get a stock. . . and maybe a Serbu SuperShorty little brother to play with. Also, stocks on the ARs, and a stock on the Kuna I want.

I already filled the functional gap in my toolkit left by SBRs, with AR pistols.

The sour spot for me is that the world's about to collapse for the brace manufacturers. Their willingness to hang their butts out there in a financially/legally hazardous industry is what pushed the absurdity of SBR/S regulation into the common mind. We own them our gratitude. . . and they are about to lose their entire customer base.
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Whaddya wanna bet they have the tooling on hand right now to shift production to actual stocks and conversions?
 
Ohen Cepel said:
I think it will shake up the market a lot, depending on how they do it and how permanent it seems. If removed from the NFA I think that will have far more impact than just dropped the tax down to $0 (to be raised HIGH by the other side down the road).

If it looks permanent I see makers getting into it more with rounds made for a shorter barrel with a can on them. A lot of the new rounds are already made to run in a hunting rifle with 18in or so rather than 22in. So, I would see that getting pushed down to 14in maybe? Won't be magic but they will have a reason to look at new rounds which made less since before the change.

Think about it, a LOT of the gun $$ made over the years was driven by what DC did or didn't do. '86 ban on new machine guns, AWB of 94 then it's sunset, CCW being allowed more, braces bad then OK, etc, etc. So, if the laws change it will drive sales and "innovation".

Not sure much of it will be of interest to me but I'm set in my ways. Would be nice to be able to set up my Contender however I like, that could be a perk.
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I agree, that if this is not wiped out, when the other side steals their way back into power, they will jack the tax stamps up in the thousands or tens of thousands. If our elected officials lose their spine, this could, but not necessarily, go very bad. If they stiffen up and buck up, we could win bigly.
 
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