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If someone killed your dog...?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by hankdatank1362, Dec 29, 2007.

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  1. hankdatank1362

    hankdatank1362 Member

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    Now, before we get started, I know a dog is not a human and no matter how we feel about our beloved pets their lives do not carry the weight of a human life in court.

    That said, imagine someone killed your dog right in front of you, probably with a firearm. Your dog did not attack them. Say, for instance, your dog had gotten loose a couple days ago and ate their flower garden, or growled at them or something of that sort. Let me reiterate: YOUR DOG DID NOT ATTACK ANYONE.

    Would you construe that attack on your animal to mean that you might be the attacker's next victim? Would you use deadly force to protect yourself, even if he never pointed a weapon at you? Do you think that you could articulate your reason for shooting the attacker to a jury and be no billed / found innocent?

    What difference would it make if you were walking the dog down the road or if the attack occured on your own property?

    Once again, I know the law does not see an animal's life as being equal to a human's life, but if someone were to kill your dog in front of you, with no good reason (your dog did not attack them), could you legally interpret that as a threat on your life and respond as such?
     
  2. 1911Tuner

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    There would be a day of reckoning, I'm afraid. If the shooter pulled a gun and shot my dog while I had it ona leash...there'd probably be a gunfight.

    That said...I lost my Redtick girl about 2 months ago. Hyper and determined to get loose from the half-acre fenced enclosure that she shares with the others during the day...she got past me and lit out. She's done it before, and usually shows up about feeding time. That day was different.

    There had been a dog pack...loose pets...that had been killing livestock in the area. Several goats...a few cows...did about 2,000 dollars worth of damage to a quarterhorse at the stables down the road...even killed and maimed several cats and other dogs. The day my girl disappeared, I heard a single rifle shot from the vicinity of the goats, about a half-mile away as the crow flies. Didn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Although she wouldn't have hurt any of'em...she would have run in for a romp, bein' the playful sort. The man wouldn't have waited to see if she was friend or foe...and I can't blame him.

    I miss the ol dumbass, hardhead dog...
     
  3. cassandrasdaddy

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    shoot em for it ? probably not i'm a hands on kinda guy.
     
  4. hankdatank1362

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    I can understand that... seeing as how you weren't anywhere nearby.

    I mean if you were within 20 yards or so of your dog.

    BTW, thatks for the response Tuner. I know you're a big dog lover, so I really wanted to hear your input.
     
  5. 1911Tuner

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    Within 20 yards? On my property, there'd probably be a gunfight. If he shot my dog while I had him on a leash...there would definitely be a gunfight.

    If my dog was on his property, and not being threatening...but had only done a little property damage? We'd have a problem, although he'd be within his rights. I'd expect a neighbor to be a stand-up guy and approach me for restitution instead of just killing my dog.

    I've had stray dogs show up here, and they do "dog" things. Dogs are dogs.
    Probably the best dog I've ever had...here with me now...just wandered up stray and starving. I caught her just before she turned my garbage can over. I fed her, and took her in...and she's been here ever since, and the only problem she has now is deciding who to sleep with...so she takes turns.
    Siberian Husky, with a Red Wolf somewhere in the woodpile, according to three people who know of such things. An absolute sweetheart.

    But...I know that not everybody is a hard-core dog lover like I am...but I still feel that shooting a man's dog over simple, high-spirited dog mischief isn't the move that a man should make...at least not before trying to work it out with me.
     
  6. General Geoff

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    I don't think you understand. These boys killed my dog.
     
  7. karrotx

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    If you kick my dog, I'll be breaking both your arms.

    If you were to shoot my dog? I'm not sure, I'm really not sure.

    I hope to never find out.
     
  8. Gunfighter123

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    Well -- an eye for a eye !!! Or maybe two eyes for a eye ?? On my property --- I'd swear that after he shot my dog -- the gun was pointed at me right before I had to use deadly force -- end of story
    GF123
     
  9. Animal Mother

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    +1

    QFT
     
  10. Just Jim

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    It really depends on the circumstances. There are ways a man could get himself shot if he hurt my dog Sam. Since my dog is on a leash, should a man draw his gun to kill my dog I will draw my gun and shoot to defend my life and property.

    Should Sam go crazy and start biting people then I would kill Sam myself.

    jj
     
  11. 1911Tuner

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    Dogs often growl or even snarl as a response to being scolded, or even caught doing something that they know they shouldn't be doing. I have two big male Collies that do it, even with me. It's easy to mistake a nervous dog for a threatening dog...especially if you don't know the dog, and most especially if you don't understand dog body language. Of course, a scared dog is a potentially dangerous dog...even one that's not aggressive or vicious under normal circumstances. It's best to leave him an exit. Make even the best dog nervous...corner him...and you could create a problem that you won't believe if he's as much as 40 pounds.

    Most of the time, altercations between people and dogs are at least 50/50 events. All dogs will bite if you push the right buttons...and if you make him feel that the only way out of a corner is through you...well...He's ya Huckleberry.

    Easy to spot the dog lovers on a thread like this. :cool:

    I have 14 dogs here...and consider them all as "My Furry Children."
     
  12. Silvanus

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    I can't carry a firearm here, but I don't think I would shoot the person. I don't want to go to prison. But I would beat the $h*t out of the killer.
     
  13. Biker

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    I agreed to abide by certain rules when I signed up to hang at the THR.

    I keep my word to the best of my ability.

    If someone needlessly killed my dog, there would be consequences and reprocussions. That's all I can say.

    Biker
     
  14. GeezerwithGuns

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    Many years ago I had a confrontation with a rancher on an adjacent property who believed that my dog was chasing his livestock and creating havoc. I knew for sure that it was not my dog because she was with me on a hunting trip when the alleged act took place. Nevertheless, he said he would come on my place and "put a bullet" in my dog.

    All I said to him, after providing my assurances that I was positive that my Lab was not guilty was: "I'm sure you love your horse just as much as I love my dog - don't you?"

    Luckily, the situation did not escalate. The rancher shortly moved his stock somewhere else (the land was rented) and that was the last I heard of it. 35 years ago, I was young and pretty hot-headed. Don't know what I'd have done, but there certainly would be retaliation of some kind.
     
  15. average_shooter

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    How about this; if I'm out with my dog, or not, and someone pulls a gun not in self defense or on a shooting range, I'd probably draw and move to the nearest cover and be there with 1911Tuner as far as "there'd probably be a gunfight."
     
  16. shadowalker

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    It kind of depends on the situation, having someone enter your property and shoot your dog for no reason is different than coming home and finding him shot.

    If a person entered my property without being provoked, and shot my dog I'd view him as an unpredictable and immediate deadly threat.
     
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    No to all questions without a much deeper explanation I do believe, and surely some of the responses are written in haste and not reality or we have some people that seriously need to rethink the value of human life on this board.
     
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    i like dogs and all animals but having said that it depends on the situation... i was casting bullets in my garage one evening a couple of yeasrs ago when i heard a sound and sensed something was with me.. i turned an looked toward the door a there stood two of biggest d^nm dogs i'd ever seen.. they were growling at me and i was cornered unarmed.. picked up a fence post and made my move so they decided on a different target... my neighbors little puppy that tied to a pole in their yard so she got mauled.. i was pi$$ed!! told my wife get my revolver and call the sherriff... when he showed up just a few minutes later i was in my garage door with my model 27 in hand... i told him about it and said if they come back here i'm takin em out! he asked did they scare me? i replied he!! yes they scared me! he go ahead and take em out then.... they didn't come back but after some research i found out where they came from.. i went to the door of the owners house and this chic came to the door so i told her what had happened and if they came back i'm takin em out.. she got all indignant and said you can't kill my dogs.. i said yes i can... after a couple exchanges of the same phrase she said are you threatening me? i said nope. she said your threatening me! i said calmly no i'm not i'm just trying to tell ya what's going to happen.. they come back my house they'll be laying in a pile... about that time her black boyfriend came around the corner and said if you have problems with my dogs you call the cops... i said i've done that now i'm telling you... and i walked off the porch and i never saw those bull mastiffs running loose again... we have a leash law in this town so dogs aren't supposed to run loose... these dogs were a menace to me and other animals.. like i said i like dogs and feel sorry for them when they are tied up in back of a place and no one pays much attention to them...
     
  19. average_shooter

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    Sorry, but I value my personal human life over that of someone threatening me with deadly force. If I am "reasonably in immediate fear of death or great bodily harm," with no escape, where "no lesser force will do" to resolve the situation, then I'm legally (and as far as I see it, morally) justified to defend myself.
     
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    IF someone shot one of my dogs in front of me and IF that someone had a firearm and did not lower it, or IF that someone turned to face me in a ready position I would without hesitation DROP that person.

    Otherwise, I would damned sure obtain sufficient ID to pursue a civil and criminal action against that person.
     
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    After having grown up on a farm, I know the damage that unrestrained dogs can cause. I have had quite a lot of property damage caused by dogs, and honestly in my opinion that by itself is not enough to cause me to shoot someone else's dog. A loss of livestock is a different story, I usually attempt to catch the dog and determine who's it is. I have always given the individual the chance to make it right, and to make sure it never happens again. I have also been attacked by 1 dog, which did NOT survive the encounter.

    Now if the shoe was on the other foot then I would hope to be given the same consideration, but if someone came into my yard, and shot my dog, then there would certainly be, as Biker said, consequences and reprocussions.

    Were I out walking my dog on a leash and he/she was shot with me holding it, well I would likely consider that an attack on my person and would defend myself.
     
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    Not a dog owner but if anyone harmed one of my cats then it would get ugly.
     
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    Uh, which human life? Oh! The ones on this board. Gotcha!
     
  24. NGIB

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    My dog is as much a part of my family as my wife and kids. I'm afraid I'd be none to happy and there would certainly be consequences for the shooter. What these would be I'm unclear; however, suffice to say they would not be having a good day...
     
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    Chest-beaters make my backside sore...Anyone who would kill a person over a dog deserves what he gets, which will likely be a long stretch in the graybar hotel. There are other ways to deal with someone who kills a leashed dog that don't involve me with jail time. That said, I love my dog too, but as to loose dogs, I have a leash law that has no wiggle room, which I agree with, too. She gets loose, not only am I responsible for anything she does, but I have no recourse if she doesn't come back from a foray, innocent or otherwise, across someone else's property. This is as it should be. If I don't care enough about my dog to have it under control at all times, I don't deserve to have it. The only exceptions to the leash law here is while hunting, and even then, if a hunting dog runs off, it's in danger. I have no sympathy for loose dogs or their owners after losing stock to loose pets.

    And public parks are no place to run loose dogs either. There are lots of prople who don't care for dogs, and I can respect that. It's usually illegal anyway. I don't care how harmless you think your mutt is, it runs at me in anything I consider a threatening manner (and yes, I know the difference), and it comes within 10 feet of me, it's gone, and believe me, I'm gonna be PO'd enough to be ready and waiting for anything the owner tries to run on me...
     
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