If you carry cocked and locked, have you ever at days end found your safety off?

I carry cocked and locked, and

  • HAVE unholstered to find my safety off

    Votes: 70 33.2%

  • have NEVER found my safety off

    Votes: 141 66.8%
  • Total voters
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I used to have a Hi Power that did this constantly. The only thing I intensely disliked on the HP was its safety system. I found it unstable.
 
So apparently, it's mostly happening when using a holster that doesn't cover the safety, and with oversized or ambi safeties. INteresting. Thanks all for sharing.









Hey, someone found my secret poll easter egg!
Which do you feel is the BEST safety?
  • external manual safety
  • trigger safety
  • the safety between your ears
  • grip safety
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mattw said:
The best safety is between your ears.
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You got dat right!
 
once

found it like that but i think it was a back pack belt that did it. holster completely covered trigger though. and i clicked it right back on after taking the pack off. made sure i didnt use that holster and pack combo again. FYI 1911 style

Moral of the story, watch what you slide down around the holster.
 
PARA Warthog .45

Held it, bought it. Shot it, loved it. Carried it...

After carrying the gun for about a month It started falling apart. The slide lock broke off "OFF". After replacing the part, the safety started coming undone. Not from the holster either. it just wouldn't stay.

Finally returned the gun and got an XD. Which is ironic because it has not manual safeties but I feel completely comfortable. Best thing I ever did.
 
I have carried my Hi-Power and a Star BM C&L often for the past few years. Both have a positive working safety and I wouldn't carry then otherwise. I have never found the safety off.
 
Yep - once or twice on a 1911 - but since it is 1 of 2 safeties (the grip safety being the other) what I was concerned with was how it happened - not a ND. Since then I check the gun upon holstering & it hasn't happened since, so I think it was occurring somehow as I inserted the gun in its holster (IWB in a Sparks VMII).

I also sometimes carry a PT940 C&L too (OWB in a Hume JIT SLIDE) & have never seen it with that combination.

Moral: practice safe gun handling as diligently when holstering and carrying as when pulling from your holster & you won't have a problem.
 
kevinch said:
Yep - once or twice on a 1911 - but since it is 1 of 2 safeties (the grip safety being the other) what I was concerned with was how it happened - not a ND.
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What, specifically, is the problem with the safety being off at all then, since you are concerned with how it got off, but not about potential ND's.

Thank you for sharing your experience.
 
What, specifically, is the problem with the safety being off at all then, since you are concerned with how it got off, but not about potential ND's.

Thank you for sharing your experience.
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I would never intentionally carry without the thumb safety engaged on a 1911 that is C&L. There are 2 safeties, both the thumb & grip safety, & IMO the safest way to carry the gun is with both engaged.

My point was that the grip safety, acting as a "back up", would prevent any ND while the gun was holstered. Had I pulled my weapon, depressing the grip safety as I did so, my gun would have been completely off safe - not good at all.

My gun has ambi safeties. The first time, I thought it was a fluke & really didn't make any changes to my routine. The second time, when I looked at my gun to remove it from the holster, I saw that the thumb safety had been deactivated. It really unnerved me -to the point that I considered selling the gun (a Kimber Ultra CDP that my wife gave me for my birthday). The only thing I can believe is that somehow, someway, when holstering my weapon, I pushed the safety off. For a while, I carried the gun around the house unloaded in an attempt to duplicate it. Since that second incident, I've been very diligent in holstering & it has never happened again. We are talking years of IWB carry. Even to this day, I still reach down & check the safety from time to time while carrying & it has always been activated.
 
A friend of mine had it happen with his ambi-saftey equipped Kimber 1911. Suspects it was the right-hand (outboard) side of the safety and it snicked to "off" while he was getting into/out of his vehicle.

Pretty much sold me. No ambi safeties for me.
 
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YES ONE OR TWO TIMES, it was a 1911 , you can change the spring tension on the safty so this will be less likely to happen, csa:)
 
I posted pics on the 1911 forum thread a few years ago. Shot my arse down throgh the sofa, and killed the tv. Boy what a wake up!
I blame the asmbi-safety. I still don't know why the "grip safety" didn't prevent this, but it happened. I never carry cocked and locked anymore unless with a Milt Sparks holster or Safriland level 11 holster.
 
yeah, with an ambi safety. was carrying at the time in a kydex paddle that kept the gun too far from the body. my arm was always brushing against it. I was walking along, felt a bush, and heard a click. Found a stall, checkrd, and found safety off. Last time I used that combo.
 
Yup more than once and with a well known brand of customer IWB holster. I used to be very concerned about it but then I came to the realization that my gun is no less safer than it would be if the safety was on. As long as I do my part and keep my finger out of the trigger until I am ready to shoot then I have nothing to worry about.

Don't get me wrong, I think the thumb safety is a good thing but not the end all be all when it comes to making a gun safe. Heck, I sometimes carry a Glock and it doesn't have a grip or thumb safety and I don't feel unsafe. Keep your finger out of the trigger.
 
The thumb safety both blocks the sear and to some degree the forward movement of the hammer should the sear fail to hold it.

Some of you assume it is OK to find your 1911 cocked but unlocked.

You should never assume that. The manaul safety is an impotant part of the overall drop safety system on the 1911.

If you safety keeps working itself off you need to fix it.
 
I have found one 2 occassions that my PT140 had the safety off by the end of the day. I carry in a Done Hume IWB and it doesn't cover the safety so that's probably why along with the fact that I get in and out of cars a lot and the holster does move around some. The safety is also prety tight so whatever movement I did must have been just right to get it in the off position.
I am not that worried about it though as the trigger is inside the holster.
 
With a Les Baer Premier II with a wide thumb safety. I also think the holster had something to do with it, but the holster didn't do that with any other 1911. I replaced the thumb safety and it didn't happen again.
 
You should never assume that. The manual safety is an impotant part of the overall drop safety system on the 1911.
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Not all of us assume.
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Though it was intended to be carried hammer down (down, not halfcock) it still needed to be drop safe during handling. It did so without a manual safety.
 
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