If you could buy 1 firearm before a big ban...

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Tortuga, Feb 14, 2021.

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  1. MedWheeler

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    Just a PCC would satisfy me (I already have an AR-type and an AK-type.) A Marlin Camp 9 would be nice.
     
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    The only gun left on my list is a semi auto pcc. Preferably 40 S&W and accept M&P mags.
    I don't have any plans on buying one though.
     
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    I already bought it. Then it fell off the boat.
     
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    Something.308, probably an AR10, but anything.308.

    Pretty much have everything else covered.
     
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    Why would I buy anything if I don't know what I'm going to be able to keep?
     
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    Lots of people are spurred to do the opposite and buy everything so they have what doesn’t get banned.
     
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    I think this is the reasoning behind all the shortages we have now.
     
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    The bump stock ban showed that the government was willing, if the mood struck them, to ban the possession of something without grandfathering or compensation. You'd be far better off working the politicos to avoid a ban than trying to outfox it via prior possession.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    Gun wise I wish I picked up a Saiga 12ga semi auto or 2.
     
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    Ahem! :scrutiny:

    Yes, back to the topic.:thumbup:

    Maybe I’d rather have a Puckle Gun!

    A nice one. Highly polished for the Crow in me.;)
    Perhaps a hundred stone of cases and a few thousand pounds of shot.
    You know, the real stuff. The Square shot. For use on gophers...
    And Flint. Lots of flint, making flints is enjoyable to me.
    A few thousand pounds of powder would also be appreciated, as well as the proper tooling for disassembly and repair.
    I don’t suppose a proper King’s carriage and a horse or two would be out of line.:)

    Would a pair of Clydesdale be “accoutrement” or “support”?:D
     
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  13. Tortuga

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    That's actually a good point. I've had one before but sold it because I didn't have enough range to shoot it.


    I agree with you. I hadn't considered this point but that's a pretty nifty option.

    Same as above. I don't have enough range / land to shoot one on or that would probably be on the list.



    Thank you very much -- I needed that laugh.


    I'm actually siding with you here. I was looking at the Stribog Gen II because it was pretty affordable and it seemed like it had great ballistic performance. However, I did see quite a few reports that it's not reliable enough for anything other than a range toy. It seems like reliability is up in the air but I'm still thinking about it. I just don't want to get stuck with an $850 paperweight.


    Again, thank you for the laugh. :rofl:

    I don't think you understand how this works.

    The government doesn't get to decide what firearms Americans get to keep or not. Sure, there's been a lot of penile-waving over this issue recently, but the federal government has never historically come out and banned categories of firearms in in any meaningful or longstanding way -- with the exception of maybe the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. That said, you can still own those firearms and thousands still have them, so it's something of a moot counterpoint.

    Your Bumpstock example is actually a pretty great one of why these bans don't work or mean anything. Specifically, when bumpstocks got banned, nobody really gave a hoot because they were merely a commodity that was seen as largely irrelevant to our firearm's rights by and large. The reasons for this were mainly:

    • Bumpstocks are nothing more than a range toy. They don't have any place in the use of weapons for self-defense. They're inaccurate and not very effective.
    • You can bumpfire just as effectively without a bumpstock anyway. Or better yet, even more accurately use a hellfire trigger (which again, is still not a viable replacement for automatic fire).


    Now to your point, sure, the president could come out tomorrow and say "I'm banning all AR-15s!" -- but historically that means very little. For example, we have had an "Assault Weapons" "ban" in 1994, but these didn't make these "assault" weapons illegal. It just stopped them from being imported or purchased new. Similarly, it had a sunset clause and a grandfather clause -- both of which rendered it effectively useless for anything beyond cosmetic legislation which was nothing more than a huge PITA for new firearms owners. Even during this ban, factory-original AKM rifles were imported that only supported single-stack, low-capacity magazines. However, after import, Century Arms offered WASR rifles that were hit with a dremel to accept double-stack, standard-capacity magazines. So basically it was a big stinking can of nothing except an inconvenience for firearms owners, because you had to buy something "preban."

    In the case of our hypothetical (since it clearly wasn't obvious to everybody), I'm basically expecting something similar in the next four years. That is, someone's going to "ban" certain categories of rifles, PCCs, whatever -- but probably not indefinitely and certainly not in a way that makes millions of Americans felons overnight. If something like that were to happen (as you're suggesting), a very high percentage of people simply wouldn't honor that law and there'd be tons of shootings of whoever was trying to confiscate these firearms-- in which case you most likely would have wished you got one of these things to begin with.


    I don't think that's true either. I simply think a lot of us lived through the Obama administration where a brick of .22lr was $75 and an mid-level AR-15 cost a left arm, so we knew what to look for in advance. What happened with the current shortages is that people saw the writing on the wall and they stocked up when they could. Some folks were late the game, so the market dictated they had to pay more. The smart ones already bought our stuff.

    Think about it -- some people shoot twice a week. If you think about how much ammunition someone like that is going to be buying in anticipation of skyrocketing prices due to shortages, and then factor in how many people there are like that in this country, the honest truth is manufacturers simply couldn't keep up with the demand. I think people like to point fingers and shout "PANICK BUYING!" at everyone else, but those shortages can simply be a result of honest, intelligent people buying things at an unprecedented rate for a good reason. The manufacturers are always going to err on the side of caution, because it's better to manufacture too few bullets and make more money off of the demand than to overproduce and get stuck with the bill.

    That said, you don't have to buy anything. More for us!
     
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    I know the premise of this thread is geared toward semi-auto as they are number 1 on the anti's hit list but there is another treacherous thing they want to do which is end online sales which would mean all the antique, surplus, old, rare, discontinued, lever, bolt , handguns, shotguns ect...would be a lot harder to find if not next to impossible in some cases. For example if you are looking for a limited made Miroku made Winchester 1886 or a nice Chilean 1891 Mauser fat chance finding one in your local gun store and slim chance finding one at a gun show. Online has allowed to find such gems.

    I don't know if they can ban online sales or if it would stand, but as one who likes old guns as much as new guns, without the internet and the likes of gun broker and such it would be a depressing situation.
     
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    That is a very fair point. There's also been talk about banning ammunition sales online, which would be awful because that's one of the most effective ways to get ammunition. It's cheaper to get ammo delivered right to your door than it is for me to drive an hour into town and buy some.
     
  16. army_eod

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    Any more gun laws are unacceptable. Period.
     
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    Any gun laws are unacceptable
     
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    Full size sa/da pistol. I really like them. I have been looking at CZ's offerings lately.

    I already have the ar-15 and an ar-10 in .308, like so many have mentioned, covered.
     
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    I already had my AR-10 and recently bought my AR-15. I guess I'd like an AR in between, such as 6.5 Creedmore or similar 6mm. But that's only if all of the reloading equipment comes down in price. I just wish prices and availability of ammo and reloading supplies would come back to normal. It's the anticipation of a ban that make everyone go crazy.
     
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    Mp5 with all the fixins
     
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    There’s really only 1 that has called to me. 10mm carbine, preferably not blowback but that seems to be the game in town. An AR makes the most sense but I just don’t care for them. Hi point is ugly as sin and I would be ashamed to show it off. The TNW aero “pistol” seems to be really close to what I want and I have been really close to buying one, the carbine version isn’t as nice. What I really want is a Kriss Vector.
     
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    .338 Federal AR-10.
     
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    With that drum magazine, the Ruger PC9 looks remarkably similar to the WW2 Soviet PPSH41: ppsh41.png
     
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    If I'm limited to just one firearm, it would have to be a 12 gauge shotgun, which can bring down any size game as well as provide ample protection for the homestead. In fact, I recently picked up a Beretta 1301, to complement my Remington 870. Those two will undoubtedly produce beautiful children.
     
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    I also really like the idea of a 10mm carbine. The ballistics charts show that you can get a 20-25% boost in velocity with most factory 10mm loads shot out of a 18" barrel, and considering that 10mm is already pretty hot that means you're getting velocities over 2000fps. Having a carbine that would take the magazines from my Glock 20 would be ideal. And for the record, if that Hi-Point took Glock mags I'd be all over it -- it looks like the weapon the Stormtroopers in Star Wars carried!
     
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