If you could buy a bullpup chassis for your bolt rifle, would you?

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  1. LRShooting

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    Curious as to whether or not your would buy a bull pup stock if it was available for your gun, was priced around 1000$, and maintained original trigger and bolt handle position
     
  2. GBExpat

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    No, I would have no interest in such a boltgun configuration.
     
  3. Jackal

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    No. Not just no, but HELL NO! If anything, I'd see a bullpup designed stock as a downgrade from the traditional precision rifle stock.

    It would be shorter, big deal. If size is a concern, I'm not carrying a bolt action precision rifle in the first place...:scrutiny:

    For $1000, it better make coffee and put out...
     
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    I would like to see the design that keeps the bolt handle forward. I suppose a lengthened handle that goes forward would work on something like this bullpup design shown at Primal Rights? http://www.primalrights.com/reviews/desert-tactical-arms-stealth-recon-scout
     
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  5. LRShooting

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    Basically, yes, you offset the bolt handle. Im not marketing these in anyway, but i met with a guy a while back who was interested in making and selling these things. Really talked it up, but I was kind of skeptical that the business model was really going to keep him floating. Maybe as a one or two a month thing at most. I just cant see bullpups taking off. If people wanted them, they would demand them and manufacturers would make them.

    Some think the trigger and bolt are the two biggest obstacles to get around, but Im pretty sure that big companies would quickly allieviate that problem if demand was strong.
     
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    Definitely as in absolutely not.
     
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    Typically bullpup designs use a trigger link bar back to the sear mechanism, giving a less than stellar trigger pull.

    Bolt guns are generally regarded as having the finest pull quality, so it would be a step backward.
     
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    I wouldn't buy one for many reasons.

    Not to say he wouldn't sell them. I see many things selling now that don't interest me.
     
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    Not interested.
     
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    No, done with bullpups, been there, done that.
     
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    i dont know what all the hate is about.....i like them, you get the same barrel length, with 1/2 the size.

    i dont own one, well, because i dont have a need for one.......but if i was hunting in an area with thick brush, or if i was on and off an ATV, it would make a lot sense
     
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    I'm trying to think of something I could use it for and I'm coming up short.
     
  14. Sam1911

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    Nope. There's an art to using a bolt action rifle well. Putting one in a bullpup stock pretty much means there's no art by which you could use it well anymore.

    I'm really not even certain what "maintained original trigger and bolt handle position" means. I think if you put a bolt action rifle in a bullpup stock and kept the trigger in the original position you'd have to fire it by flexing your chest hair. :eek:
     
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    well, i've seen some people and wondered if they had prehensile chest hair... so i guess it's not totally out of the question.

    what did you mean by that? i would use a bullpup if it were easily right and left handed friendly, and if the trigger was not on some lame bar
     
  16. Sam1911

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    Well, the way I picture a bullpup, the action is moved to the rear in the stock so that the very back of the action is almost at the butt plate. If the trigger is left in the normal configuration vis-a-vis the action (which is what I took his phrasing to mean) then I don't know how I'd get my trigger finger back there to fire the gun, with the butt against my shoulder.

    If the trigger is actuated by some kind of linkage so it can be in an ergonomically normal location with the gun shouldered, then the bolt and magazine would still have to be jammed back into your shoulder, meaning you'd have to dismount the gun and break position in order to cycle the action. That's what I meant by saying there's an art to bolt-action riflery and it just doesn't work with a bullpup.

    For single shots where you really don't mind getting out of position to cycle the gun, sure it will work. I just don't think it's what I want a bolt action rifle to do.
     
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    Well, the way I picture a bullpup, the action is moved to the rear in the stock so that the very back of the action is almost at the butt plate. If the trigger is left in the normal configuration vis-a-vis the action (which is what I took his phrasing to mean) then I don't know how I'd get my trigger finger back there to fire the gun, with the butt against my shoulder.

    If the trigger is actuated by some kind of linkage so it can be in an ergonomically normal location with the gun shouldered, then the bolt and magazine would still have to be jammed back into your shoulder, meaning you'd have to dismount the gun and break position in order to cycle the action. That's what I meant by saying there's an art to bolt-action riflery and it just doesn't work with a bullpup.

    For single shots where you really don't mind getting out of position to cycle the gun, sure it will work. I just don't think it's what I want a bolt action rifle to do.
     
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    Woah...I just had a cool thought about an alternate way to configure a bull-pup bolt action like that, by turning the trigger around and activating it with your left hand, which would work in that arms-crossed style of bench shooting that some guys use. (Where you put your weak hand back under the butt or in that area.)

    Nutty idea, and very limiting, but it could work.
     
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    semi auto bullpup, yes. Bolt action, not a chance. $1000, that stock better come equipped with a rifle.
     
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    Man, this thread is givin me a good laugh with the comments.

    Anyways, the trigger is moved foward and linked to the actual mechanism via linkage (typical of bull pups) so that it will stay in the normal postion you are use too, not back where the action is. As far as the bolt goes, im not sure. I was just told it could be modified to move the handle forward without having to cut out the action like typically is done on bull pups.

    I just cant see this thing taking off. Too much expense, no real advantage, and the market for those who really want one is so small that it would be extremely limited financially.
     
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    The thought is intriguing but the more I think about it the more downsides I see to it. Bolt location would make it difficult to operate the action. Trigger would require some linkage which means crappy trigger. Forward mounted scope could be attached to the bullpup chassis, but if that wasn't made easy then your going barrel mount which will take at least some accuracy away. Last but not least bolt guns for me anyway are high powered rifle rounds with a fair amount of blast. Don't need to be any closer to that than I already have been.
     
  22. Sol

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    I don't know how I would feel by having the action that close to my precious and beautiful face.

    Though I do like the look of the Walther WA 2000. Which isn't a bolt rifle.
     
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    A bolt action doesn't really benefit that much from a bullpup action. Any reduction in length is made up for with clumsiness in cycling, degraded trigger pull, and terrible balance. And if it doesn't leave the bench, overall length is irrelevant.

    $1000 is silly :D. $1000 gets you a nice bolt rifle and great optic. Think about that.

    Now, a bullpup 9mm semiautomatic carbine? Sign me up (as long as it's much less than $1000).
     
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    degraded trigger pull is not necessarily true, if youre judging it based on more common bullpups like the AUG or tavor which uses a push link type of system, maybe, but thats about a generalized as saying all semi automatics are dirty cycling because the AR-15 has direct impingement... point is bullpups designed to use a pull linkage system are capable of just as light and crisp of a trigger pull as any other

    as for a bullpup bolt action, the only way id consider this is with a straight pull like a K31 that had an oprod extension to relocate the bolt handle somewhere else while still protecting the oprod within the stock and since bolt actions are generally ranged weapons that arent going to be used for room clearing theres generally no purpose to making one shorter

    on the other-hand, a manually operated action capable of some speed like say a pump action or a lever action where you could shoot more rapidly where you may like a shorter weapon, so long as you can still free float the barrel to take advantage of all its accuracy, it could be an interesting weapon, im always looking for ways to omit the gas system and on larger caliber weapons where the recoil generally dictates youre not going to have an immediate follow-up shot opportunity, a manual action could be interesting
     
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    Bullpup bolt action rifle? No thanks.
     
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