If you could only buy 1 higher end pistol...

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  1. LiveLife

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    If I need to carry/rely on this "one" pistol, then Glock 22/23 with 40-9mm conversion barrel.
    • Must be 9mm - Check
    • Not a micro pistol, but can be SC - Check
    • No more than $3,000 so everyone doesn't say Alien or Nighthawk =p - Check
    • Will likely not go down in value - Check
    • No revolvers - Check
    Why?
    • Option to shoot 9mm/40S&W/.357 Sig/9mm Major (With thicker chamber/barrel wall of 40-9mm conversion barrels)
    • Option to shoot 22LR with Advantage Arms slide kit
    • My first Glock 17 shot over 120,000 rounds for USPSA matches still maintained accuracy (Likely from surface hardened barrel/slide) and two Glock 22s that replaced it have been flawless without parts breakage with KKM/Lone Wolf/Tactical Kinetics/BCA 40-9mm conversion barrels
    As to accuracy potential, here's 25 yard group comparison listing of varous pistols - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/thr-group-project-pistol-advanced-reloading-concepts-and-discussions.778197/page-9#post-10940688
    And my 25 yard groups/verified by a fellow THR member/range staff with factory stock Glock 22 (When buying pistols, make sure you select the one that doesn't move the front sight when you dry fire as pistol more accurate out of the box will be even more accurate after break-in/wear) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/40-s-w-powder.851647/page-3#post-11150251

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  2. Smaug

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    That’s too many limitations for a dream gun, but I don’t want to be That Guy.

    I’d get a nice Luger. They’re very interesting.
     
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  3. 5-SHOTS

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    Pardini GT9 or GT9-1;
    an high end SIG-Sauer P226;
    a SIG-Sauer P210;
    a Tanfoglio race pistol;
    a Grand Power X-Calibur or X-Trim;
    a CZ race pistol;
    a Phoenix Arms-SDP-Sphinx pistol;
    a Heckler & Koch USP Expert or a P30L;
    a custom Glock (not my first or second or third choice but they really look nice in my opinion :D).
     
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  4. red rick

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    CZ AccuShadow 2
     
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  5. Tallball

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    An expensive fancy version of a CZ75 or 1911. or a very nice Sig P series.

    I only own "regular" handguns, but those are my three favorite 9mm pistols.
     
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  6. Mark_Mark
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    STI 3-Gun!

    BOMB!
     
  7. bannockburn

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    1) SIG P210/P49
    2) HK P7
    3) Luger P08
     
  8. AustinTX

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    No need to invent new conditions just so that you can offer the most boring possible contribution to the thread. He’s asking about “higher end” pistols, not Glocks.
     
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  9. LiveLife

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    If your definition of "higher end" is a pistol that looks nice ... well, my definition of "higher end" is a pistol that produces smaller groups on consistent basis under forced stress of match shooting. Besides, OP outlined certain criteria and I indicated in my post that Glock 22 with 40-9mm conversion barrel met all the OP criteria:
    I was introduced to pistols in the Army as a medic in the early 80s "volunteered" to work in our unit's armory to help loosen up brand new out of the box 1911s that were not reliable and pretty rough to not even cycle the slide. To make them reliable, 1911s were disassembled and rough edges polished until they were smooth and slide cycled 100%. Compared to M16s and M60s that ran mostly reliable, I was dismayed at the fit and finish of secondary weapons soldiers had to depend their lives with and welcomed testing of Beretta 92FS as replacement.

    After discharge, I shot USPSA matches and my shooting/reloading mentor was a seasoned bullseye match shooter who did all his gunsmith work and helped me build my match 1911 based on Norinco donor heavily fortified with Wilson Combat parts that were 100% hand fitted (He would not allow use of Dremmel tool and it took me like 4 hours just to file Wilson Combat beaver tail with diamond hand files) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/trigger-control.834737/page-2#post-11245640

    While proficient with Sig P226, during one of all-day USPSA practice range session where we duplicated previous month stages and shot 1000-2000+ rounds each shooter, another match shooter offered for me to shoot his Glock 17 (Which I swore off as, "Who would be crazy enough to make a gun out of plastic? This fad won't last!") and I got faster stage time with comparable "double taps". In disbelief, I ran the stage again and my time got faster and faster with a pistol I never shot before (My first experience with Glock). Before too long, I sold the Sig and bought a Glock 17.

    When my defensive shooting instructor who taught PD/SD SWAT teams and was also USPSA RSO dared/challenged me to compete with my home/defence pistol (Glock 22) to "Really get accurate in real life"; instead of shooting my "Match 1911 with 2.5 lb trigger job" (He implied anyone can shoot well with such pistol), I bought another Glock 22 and competed in Limited/L10 division and climbed within 20 percentile of Open division shooters shooting "race guns" with compensators at my club with two "factory stock" Glocks.

    And to me, holes on target speak volumes and we hosted "Bring your other pistols to shoot USPSA stages" practice days where I got to shoot over 35 different brands/models of pistols with some that were "higher end" factory pistols and my two Glock 22s with well broken-in triggers outshot most of them, much faster.

    Few years into shooting USPSA, when most local match shooters hit a wall/plateau and could not improve our stage times any faster (Most shooting Glock platform), some of us complained to the regional shooters who traveled up and down the state the reason why we couldn't shoot like them was we were shooting Glocks instead of $3000 "race guns". One of top regional shooters who mentored me took a factory Glock and ran the stage with same blistering pace and told us we must look past the front sight and learn the "Zen" of shooting to make holes appear anywhere on target at will. He said it wasn't the pistol that was holding us back rather our approach to shooting - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/took-my-wife-shooting-for-her-first-time-today.908729/#post-12369077

    I too was a "metal gun" snob and looked down at Glocks as cheap plastic guns that were ugly and by chance, became a convert who is still a 1911 fan. While I admire the virtues of railed Sig 1911 I shot over 12,000 rounds through, after shooting over 650,000 rounds (Just pistol rounds, not rifle) past 30 years, holes on target do indeed speak volumes and Glocks definitely have a place among factory pistols, regardless of price or notions of "higher end".

    I recently retired and have unlimited shooting budget (Spent over $180,000 during past 30 years of shooting, but most of the $168,000 went to pay for ammunition/reloading components) and considered several 1911 9mm but find myself plinking more with 9mm PCCs or ARs with CMMG 22LR conversion bolts as Glock 22/23 with 40-9mm conversion barrels are favored with shooters I share defensive point shooting with, particularly with AA 22LR slide kit for fast point shooting multiple targets - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/flinching-drills.864546/page-2#post-11416785

    I mean, what does "higher end" mean if you can't hit what you are aiming at?
     
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  10. Electrod47

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    Early 90's already made my high end purchase Sig 228 9mm made in West Germany. Most expensive handgun I had ever purchased at that point. 1993 759.00.
    Still have it cause its worth every dime. Years ago made up my original bug out rig. Sam Browne Belt with Modern LEO holster complete with shoulder strap to load bear additional 4X15rd Sig mags plus 4X20rd AR Rifle mags. Have a load bearing vest w/molly stuff these days. But, the Sam Browne rig is still pretty cool.
     
  11. FL-NC

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    For $3000 I would sure have more than 1 good pistol. More like 4.
     
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  12. PzGren

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    I totally disagree with buying only one nice 9mm and still, the purchase price is usually smaller than the ammo cost after a couple of years. The guns that were mentioned in this thread SIG P210, Parabellum P.08, HK P7 and nicer CZ75 variants are all good shooters but in my experience, the SIG P210, and here especially the P49, is a gun that can digest a lot of ammo without noticeable wear or loss of value. A P49 can easily be identified by the A in front of the serial number that is the only difference from the civilian P210-2.

    The Swiss Sphinx is made every bit as well as a SIG P210 and not as well known.
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  13. Ohen Cepel

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    Langston Beretta as mentioned above.

    Or, a customized Hi-Power, Novak comes to mind there.
     
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    oooh yeah… I don’t buy over priced guns any more, keep it under $1,000 buck… more like $300-$750
     
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  15. chaim

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    My first thought was one of the semi-custom/higher end mass produced 1911s (Wilson likely), but I much prefer 1911s in .45 or 10mm (I've put off a 10mm too long). So, in keeping with the 9mm requirement, while a 1911 would still be possible, I'd likely look more towards a SIG P210 or a BHP/FN Hi Power with some history.
     
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  16. WVRJ

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    I bought one that I call a good slightly high end pistol last Wednesday.It's a Wilson Combat Sig P320.A beautiful pistol in my eyes,and I'm getting ready to walk out the door right now and run some through it as soon as the thunderstorm here passes and the wind settles down.
     
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    Hmmmmmm.. The last one sold went between 900-1 million USD. Just a little outside the 3000 stipulated by the OP.
     
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    It's a toss up between my CZ Shadow 2 Orange and my CZC SDP.
     
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    I think mine would be an HK SP5K-PDW to go with my SP5
     
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    [QUOTE="chaim]I'd likely look more towards a SIG P210 or a BHP/FN Hi Power with some history.[/QUOTE]

    I wouldn't consider spending $3K on a gun that didn't have history.
     
  21. Jeff olson

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    When "high end 9mm" comes to mind, these are my favorites. Glock never comes to mind. 20220925_190941.jpg
     
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    A SIG P210 - if you can find an original under $3000 I'd get that. If not the newer versions are a quite a bit less at around $1200 or so.
     
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  23. AustinTX

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    None of the many anecdotes and diversions in this very long reply change the fact that a Glock is not a “higher-end pistol” — the subject of the thread — according to any common usage or understanding of the term.
     
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  24. PzGren

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    The OP has made an important and correct differentiation when he wrote higher end pistol and not high end pistol and it becomes clear in this thread that many members have completely different definitions of the term higher end. While I am far from having an unlimited gun budget, I probably have a substantially larger amount invested in guns than the average shooter does and a good basis for comparison in my safe.
    I expect a higher end pistol to display better fit & finish than the industry standard and that carries over to improved accuracy. While the mechanical accuracy of many handguns has greatly improved in the last two decades, sights and trigger characteristics help to bring the bullet into the ten ring offhand. Higher end also means a higher price, i.e. the pistol will be in the mid price range.

    I do not consider the SG P210 high end but higher end, it had a lot of hand fitting and when the slide in removed the finish on the inside of the gun is as good as on the outside. While the FN Herstal Model 35 is definitely a classic it isn't a higher end gun but mass produced pistol of decent quality.

    Adding up how often the P210 was mentioned, we probably have the following consensus:

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  25. beeenbag

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    really the only other 9mm I think I want right now is one of the new FN high powers, so maybe one of those with some custom work
     
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