If you don't vote like a gun owner, YOU SUCK!

[chutestrate]

I don't count on either party to make it all better. However, since this is our political system I have to make choices. If it was ideal I would not choose a party, and just vote my conscience. I do find myself being drawn to the Repubs more often than the Dem party. You weigh the choices, and make the best decision you can.

 

[shermacman]

dmallind,
Low post count is in no way directly correlative to intelligence, yours ranks well on the low post/high intel scale. Most of the posters here do get annoyed at hot heads who talk (well, "type") tough or advocate violent behavior, regardless of who the the target it. Most of us would never use language that advocates murder even against murderers like Ted Kennedy.
Some of the most vocal RKBA people are the angriest against sellout Republicans, RINO's like McCain, some even include George W. But it is rare for us to use language like Roland of Giggles. Watch carefully, when it does happen, the poster usually gets smacked down pretty quickly.

It is not "knee-jerk". The reality is that the Democrats are a far bigger threat to our Constitutional rights, in general, that the Republicans. Obviously there are exceptions, (Zell Miller). We need a whole lotta a hard work to reign in RINO's, kick out Democrats and work over the MainStreamMedia.

 

[Sean Smith]

So Democrats are anti-gun? Interesting.

Are you trying to be cute? Because it is pretty self-evident that the Democratic Party is overwhelmingly anti-2nd Ammendment. A decent proportion of the Republican Party is anti-2nd Ammendment to varying degrees, too, but the Democrats are much more overwhelmingly so. Cherrypicking a few exceptions does not disprove the general rule. The last Democratic presidential candidate, the Ketchup Concubine, had a 100% anti-RKBA voting record.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/scorecard/scorecard.php?inds=42

Gee, why isn't he popular on this gun forum? How could this forum have lots of people who think he is a twink, and his party a bunch of wankers? The mind truly boggles.

 

[munk]

The Democratic party many of you were raised on no longer exists. If JFK were alive, he'd be a Republican. That doesn't mean I'd vote for him. Mass. today wouldn't either. The real Dixiecrats are all gone.

If the Second Amendment were not in such danger, if it were as voraciously defended as the First, I wouldn't have to be a single issue voter.

But we gun owners who vote for this important issue have kept our rights intact by fairly narrow margins of victory- confirming our dedication. If we'd listened to the sophists, how much more would be gone now?

I agree with the poster who said if a Politician doesn't trust him with a firearm, he can't trust the Politician with his vote.

Another poster complained of the Republicans giving tax breaks to the Rich, as a way of explaining Democratic party votes. If you are that naive you really shouldn't be here. Go to another country that does not practise Capitalism. Class warfare complaints like that reveal a belief system in which the Federal government is Mommy. Ask Mom for more free cheese because 'Timmy" got more than you.


munk

 

[feedthehogs]

Shoudek,
While it is not the governments responsibility to find a person a job, when you have the president and other politicians campaigning on job and health care issues, people do listen and vote accordingly.

Tax issues, import duties, free trade, government regulation all effect the economy along with spending deficits. These are things that are controlled by the politicians which is the concern of the people.

I don't need to move because I make a good living in my COUNTY, not country. My comments were the sentiments of the people I solicit every month at the gun show to get involved with RKBA issues.
The type of person that owns a house, is married and has kids.

If your one of those that thinks all they need is their gun and damned the torpedoes if they want to take them away, I'll stand by and watch them bulldoze your house with you in it which will accomplish absolutly nothing except you being used as fertilizer.

If you are not married, don't own a house, have kids to support you cannot possibly understand the multi issue voter.

 

[White Horseradish]

Are you trying to be cute?

What do you mean "trying"? I am cute, and occasionally fuzzy. Just ask my wife.

Because it is pretty self-evident that the Democratic Party is overwhelmingly anti-2nd Ammendment. A decent proportion of the Republican Party is anti-2nd Ammendment to varying degrees, too, but the Democrats are much more overwhelmingly so. Cherrypicking a few exceptions does not disprove the general rule.

Cherrypicking? I think not. How is taking two elected presidents, one of whom is presented to be the greatest republican president ever, cherrypicking? What this is is looking at the history of past actions. Their deeds are a matter of record and speak quite loudly to their actual position as opposed to the position they would like you to believe they hold.

The last Democratic presidential candidate, the Ketchup Concubine, had a 100% anti-RKBA voting record. <snip>

A presidential candidate does not issue executive orders. An elected president does. Actions vs. words.

Gee, why isn't he popular on this gun forum? How could this forum have lots of people who think he is a twink, and his party a bunch of wankers? The mind truly boggles.

Gee, why are Republicans so popular on this gun forum? How could this forum have lots of people who can't see that they are being lied to and that the both parties are a bunch of wankers? The mind truly boggles.

 

[shermacman]

Gee, why are Republicans so popular on this gun forum? How could this forum have lots of people who can't see that they are being lied to and that the both parties are a bunch of wankers? The mind truly boggles.

Here we go: All politicians are wankers, everyone who votes is a blind fool.


Why the distiction with Kerry's voting record? Jean Fraud Kerry voted 100% anti-RKBA, period. Along with a majority of Democrats.

 

[White Horseradish]

Here we go: All politicians are wankers, everyone who votes is a blind fool.

A slight correction: everyone who votes the party line is a blind fool. And yes, all politicians are wankers.

Why the distiction with Kerry's voting record? <snip>

What do you mean?

 

[Sean Smith]

What do you mean "trying"? I am cute, and occasionally fuzzy. Just ask my wife.

That's the spirit!

Their deeds are a matter of record and speak quite loudly to their actual position as opposed to the position they would like you to believe they hold.

Of course, you also omit Clinton's gun-control initiatives, and the current president's role in the death-by-neglect of the AWB. So you essentially omit the last 13 years of history supporting my point. Innocently, I assume.

And you could always go to the Brady Campaign site I linked to, and see how the Republicans score vs. Democrats in Congress as far as voting for or against gun control. Since you are more interested in facts than rhetoric.

A presidential candidate does not issue executive orders. An elected president does. Actions vs. words.

Um, his voting record WAS his actions. That's what I linked to... a record of his votes on gun control. And they spoke quite clearly, a track record of 100% opposition to the 2nd Amendment. How it is illogical for gun owners to be hostile to the idea of such a person becoming president is beyond me. And he was the candidate selected by the Democratic Party as a whole.

 

[White Horseradish]

Well, I omitted Clinton because I don't dispute that Democrats are anti-gun. I dispute that ONLY Democrats are anti-gun. I omitted GWB because he's not done yet.

What I object to is Republicans getting votes by appearing pro-gun, but behaving in anti-gun ways once elected. Democrats are more honest about their intentions.

 

[munk]

If you are not married, don't own a house, have kids to support you cannot possibly understand the multi issue voter.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feed the hogs

I'll tell my wife and sons that you say so, but they'll just laugh.


Multi issues are reality. We discriminate amongst them for our best options. I haven't had any trouble finding pro gun candidates I can support.



munk

 

[caseydog]

Hmmm , first post in Legal and Political I think...

We could put this issue to bed for at least a decade ,maybe more with some good ideas/leadership from the NRA and GOA working in concert and people voting like gunowners.

Make the 2008 elections " the NRA-GOA referendum on guns in America" , NRA and GOA work the issue hard for the next 3 years , Congressmen , Senators , President, State and City level offices , If you are anti gun you are about to get a public opinion on your position !!

Now we need about 1/3 to 1/2 of those 80 million+ gun owners to vote like a gunowner , just this one time ! The debacle that ensued would take the issue off the table for quite some time.

With that kind of gunowner turnout the gun control issue would be so hot that no politician would even want to state a "gun safety" stance to their mother in law let alone the media.

Now you nitwits we just told you how America feels about Guns , drop it and work on something important, if you come back to this issue we will come back to the polls and reiterate our stance !

The only question about this plan is can "we" the gun owners be trusted to deliver the unequivical message.

Ray

 

[White Horseradish]

I found another thread here that seems to have some pertinence to my position.

Clicquez ici

 

[Boats]

If the parallel you are trying to draw is that this thread is as stupid as that one, I would tend to agree. However, this thread may be more stupid for the presence of Roland of Girliness in it.

I do notice that Bush I wasn't re-elected. Reagan signed the FOPA as a net benefit to gun-owners. I would note that the '86 MG ban was engineered by a Dem congress. Ketchup Boy would have been an RKBA disaster, just as Kapitan Happypants was, so I'll take GWB being a quiet nuisance in that he won't go to bat for us aside from the gun lawsuit immunity bill.

sKerry might not have been able to get much officially done through a Republican congress. However, as astutely pointed out be several posters, any president can do a lot of harm to RKBA issues administratively and through various executive and judicial appointments.

If a politician won't trust you with your own gun of choice, he/she won't trust you with anything more mundane like allowing you to have the money you earn, parenting decisions, what car to drive, etc.

 

[tcdrennen]

DingDingDing! We have a winner:

Correct. But next to the right to self-defense and self-preservation, these issue are about as important as a fart in a hurricane. Without the Second Amendment the rest of the Constitution is just so many words on paper (and, judging from all the murdered kids and spouses every year found literally clutching a restraining order, words on paper are real effective at protecting us. Right?).

Surrendering the right to Keep and Bear Arms in the name of something, anything, else, is ultimately self-defeating.

Brad

Tara:
Life Member - NRA, GOA, CRPA
Member - GOC, JPFO, Liberty Belles, SAS, AFA
Gotta Join 'Em ALL

 

[lostone1413]

The trouble is the Republicans aren't pro 2nd amendment they are just a little less anti 2nd amendment then the Dems. How many in either party are really pushing for our 2nd amendment rights in Washington? The federal goverment could force all the states to honor your 2nd amendment rights. It isn't who will help the cause the most it is who will screw you the least

 

[Shooter 2.5]

We still don't have the votes needed to pass any pro-gun legislation. We're hampered by a solid anti-gun party in the dems and a few RINO's. The RINO's although not on our side are needed so we have a majority in the House and Senate. Bush is also a moderate leaning to the Right.
The good news is the CCW laws have almost wiped out the anti's on the state level. It's only in the Northeast and for some reason, a pocket in the middle that needs to be changed.
In short, we stopped the anti-gun train except in a few states. It will take a little longer to reverse it.

 

[lostone1413]

If the Republicans stuck together you would have enough votes. All you need is the majority of votes in both houses to send the bill to GWB or 2/3 to over ride a veto. Don't bet GWB leans to the right Look who is AG he don't believe in the Constitution that strong. Then again none of the other ones in Wastington believe in it either

 

[Shooter 2.5]

Bull. The Republicans mostly stick together except for a few RINO's and then the dem party votes 100 per cent against guns and it's the Republicans fault?

Get rid of the dem party and you get rid of gun control. Simple as that.

 

[lostone1413]

Bull. The Republicans mostly stick together except for a few RINO's and then the dem party votes 100 per cent against guns and it's the Republicans fault They do??? Lets see you have control of both houses the Senate and Congress. So we have over 50% in both houses. To make a bill law you need one vote over 50% in both houses and the President to sign the bill. We have all of that. Lets see what happens. The Democrats could go 100% against us and we still have the votes. NO BULL read how the goverment works if you don't know. Only time you need more then 51% of the votes in the houses is to over ride a veto then it is 2/3 in favor of the bill

 

[JPL]

I'm not a gunowner, so do I just suck on general principles?

 

[tcdrennen]

Actually, the Dems (or, rather, the anti gun Dems [most of them] plus a few anti-gun Reps) may be able to force a filibuster in the Senate, which would require 60 votes to stop.

However, given the decimation of a lot of anti-gun Dems last election, it's unclear how many of those left are willing to put all their marbles into being Anti-Gun on the record. It's also unclear how many "pro-gun" Reps are willing to put THEMselves On Record.

Procedural rules, how long to re-election time, deals with leadership and state and national party honchos - everything is calculated.

Politicians will do almost anything to avoid being identified with One Issue; especially when they aren't sure which One Issue will resonate with voters on the next go-round.

Kerry and the Dems really expected to avoid the Gun Issue altogether last time - they really thought a few 'hunting" pix and Kerry's Vietnam Vet "image" would override his 20 year 100% anti-gun voting record. After all, voters don't remember that far back , right?

And since they were wrong, they're sKerred of the gun issue right now - except for the few who are invulnerable due to gerrymandered safe districts and/or lame duck status.

OTOH, the "moderate" Reps and RINOs are just as leery of THEIR constituents' putting THEM on the spot, so will avoid being identified on any One Issue as much as possible.

Daschle ran as a Good Old Boy at home, voted and led as a lefitist in D.C., and it finally caught up with him and he lost in SD. Arlen Specter does EXACTLY the same, yet won in PA.

They're all confused.

We're just mad.

 

[Shooter 2.5]

We don't have the votes. 100% of the dems against us plus a few RINO's doesn't add to 51.

 

[kidcoltoutlaw]

I vote

for my gun rights always.

 

[Sean Hofhine]

The Democrats could go 100% against us and we still have the votes. NO BULL read how the goverment works if you don't know.

:banghead:

Whoa there big feller, watch Harry Reid's lip's real carefully when he says 'I have forty-five votes, and we're not moving ahead.....'

55 to 45? yeah it looks like we win, but it doesn't go to the floor . Watch real close in about eight weeks and you'll see what I mean

And ask a guy who comes from McCain territory, that two faced princess will do ANYTHING to get face time with the boy (yes BOY) that sits next to Cokie Roberts and kisses the a$$ of anyone who would trample GW's agenda..

Renegade John the republican,( media hound to me) and then I could name three more weak kneed RINO's that wouldn't get anywhere near helping us out. Arlen and Olympia? Yeah, they're on our side. So now your down to 52. Not gonna happen They might not vote against the NRA,(you might just remember the midterms in 94, but if noone will admit the crime bill caused it, I won't either) but that doesn't mean they'll fall on their swords protecting the second amendment.

I vote two things, guns and money, if the stinking politicians could keep their hands off the latter, I could easily afford more of the former. Someday I hope my children and friends will take back the country from the swine who aspire to destroy it from within.

And go figure R of G would steal the name of a true libertarian, the last surviving gunslinger. Nice try buddy, I'll think of you next time I put in seventy-five hours so the government can screw me out of 600 bucks in a week. Taxing the rich will only make the jealous(or lazy) people feel better, not be or live better.

On edit I guess now's when I'll think of you, another seventy five hour week's in the can.


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