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If you even think you'd like an AR, you're not welcome here.......

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  1. Speedo66

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    Careful, the mind police may be on patrol. An owner of restaurants in Maine posted on her Facebook page that if you own an AR-15, or even just think it's OK to own one, you're not welcome in her two restaurants. Not carrying one, just thinking they're OK.

    She was subject to withering comments on her Facebook page and took the comments down. She's now back peddling, saying she respects gun owners, just doesn't think they should own "weapons of war".

    Supposedly the restaurants are among of the finest in Portland, but many locals say they're boycotting, though she denies business is down.

    So what say you, would you entertain patronizing a business that attempts to police your thought process? Forget the gun aspect for a moment, just substitute any subject you might disagree with a shop keeper on. "If you even think it's OK to put catsup on my prime steaks....."

    Here's the article: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/u...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
     
  2. 19-3Ben

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    If they spell ketchup with a "C" they are automatically on my S-list and I won't eat there.:p

    More seriously, there are just way too many good restaurants out there to compromise. Thanks to the foodies (myself included) there has been huge demand, that is now being met, for top notch food. Why a business owner would choose to wade into the mire of political issues is beyond me. Her business is selling food. She should have stuck to that. It shows a serious lack of sound judgment and business practice to alienate people.

    In fact, if I were her, I'd love the thought that pro-2A folks are coming to her restaurant and spending their money with HER, rather than the NRA or using it to support the industry through gun/ammo purchases. Then she can turn around and donate the money we spend to any of the anti-groups.

    Life's too short to support those who oppose us, so no, I would not eat there. It's un-high road to give the full phrase, but the one I'm thinking of ends with "...and the horse she rode in on." ;)
     
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    Ask her how that new minimum wage is going for her.
     
  4. Speedo66

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    Why do they always take it out on the poor horse? :rolleyes:

    My thoughts are a small business is tough enough to keep going in the best of times, why would you subject it to possible ridicule and boycotts? If you feel strongly about any issue, separate your income, and that of your employees, from the fray.

    Guess she's got enough money she doesn't care about the consequences, but her staff may not. Playing with peoples livelihoods is just wrong. As is attaching your political beliefs to a meal.
     
  5. Elkins45

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    "Gun owners aren't a protected class."

    Let that sink in for a moment.
     
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    In the new PC world, they fall to the bottom of the list.
     
  7. Walkalong

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    Definitely a persecuted class at the present time.

    Make her pay at the pump. Losing dollars is all that will get her attention.

    Remember the Dixie Chicks. Southern folks showed them. ;)
     
  8. Ryanxia

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    She did this earlier in the year and definitely lost business over it. Her online reviews tanked as well and I believe one of her business partners is/has separated from her over this. He said something to the effect of, 'I agree with her position but we shouldn't be bringing that into our restaurant business'.

    Months after she made the statement she sat down with some pro-gun folks and they had a discussion, I don't think anything was accomplished. She's not budging and that's her Right, and it's our Right to not do business there and to encourage others to do the same.

    On the bright side, we've had several businesses in Maine post no firearms signs and through intelligent and respectful communication, (along with a civil boycott) most have reversed their position very quickly.

    I had a long conversation with the higher ups at my local movie theater(s) (chain of 4 locations) and after they said they would not change their position, many of us wrote in letters and emails explaining why we would never visit there again or allow our children there with friends. After two short weeks of intense letters, they emailed me back and said they had reversed their position and to ask everyone to please consider returning. And we did just that, I've seen four movies this year which is three more than I usually do haha!
     
  9. Sergei Mosin

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    I remember this flap. It made me chuckle a bit because my only AR was made in Maine.
     
  10. Tirod

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    Publicly aligning your business to one candidate or single issue means that you are telling other customers to take a hike.

    If we would boycott a gun maker for that (like Ruger in the past,) or a restaurant, or a chain store (Dick's, or half a dozen on line retailers) and you think it's a good way to express discontent with their bias, then why do you keep financing the national media and local paper?

    Most of the younger generation doesn't - it's the habit of those who won't do a little surfing on the internet for a true balance of perspective who hand them their power base. Turn off the TV and stop watching the 6:00 news. It's been known for a long time they like to rub it in our face, it's now documented that the media is simply passing along political points from their handlers in the DNC.

    As long as you continue to enable them they will continue to lie to you and your neighbors, then you get to hear their narrative regurgitated and spouted back at you. I don't understand why so many don't get that - it's as if they not only keep going to an anti gun restaurant to eat, they like having the owner lecture them during the meal.

    Square that with some irritation over a vendor shipping more slowly than you like, or that their CS seems to be somewhat cynical. At least we have vendors and they actually answer the phone. But when it comes to stopping the local paper or firing up a laptop for the evening news, they see to prefer being trash talked and lied to.

    In the big picture I see a lot of hypocrisy over who to boycott and who not.
     
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    In the big fish eat little fish food service market does one really think it wise to discriminate against ANY potential customers?
     
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    If they serve "prime steaks", then they must supply each customer with (GASP HORROR) "weapons of war"...a steak knife.
    Sure, a steak knife isn't an M4-clone, but it was the ultimate in warfare at one time.
     
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    Just another garden variety ignorant Portland liberal bigot... who has never read the constitution or studied history.

    We frequent Portland and I'm happy to know where not to spend my dining dollars.
     
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    I own a small business, and the nature of it is that politics impacts our products and services and needs to be discussed with our customers. My reps have strict instructions not to show a bias towards one party or another, as I won't lose customers because I had to win a political debate. The Dixie Chicks example is what I discuss with them.

    In Illinois, businesses can post no gun signs. I agree with their right to do so, but will not patronize them unless I either have no option or if it's posted because it needs to be, such as a bar or restaurant that earns more than 50% of it's revenue from alcohol sales. The businesses are telling me they don't want me as a customer, and I'm happy to oblige.
     
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    "... love ..."

    “If you own this gun, or you condone the ownership of this gun for private use, you may no longer enter either of my restaurants, because the only thing I want to teach my children is love.” -- Anne Verrill

    Now, children, what does that teach you? It is OK to shun someone if they lawfully and peaceably own a gun that Ms. Verrill doesn't like because someone else did something bad with theirs.

    For the record, I did not burn my Beatles' White Album when people demanded it over the Manson Family Murders. I am heartless that way in my disdain of our traditional cult of voodoo criminology.
     
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    Nope. I avoid businesses that are openly against legal ownership or carrying on their premises. I sure as hell am not going to patronize a business that demonizes AR owners. I've owned two, and now own none. So am I now ok in her book again? I couldn't care less.

    Demonizing and persecuting legal, law abiding, and safe AR owners is just as illogical and wrong as sexual discrimination, religious bigotry, or racism.
     
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    Agreed!
    And it's always funny to ask a bleeding heart liberal vegan or vegetarian that has pets...what do you feed them?
    (Most cats and dogs don't care for salads, and it's not good for them!)


    -Butchman
     
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    The liberal hypocrisy is so absurd that it defies logic. But liberals do not think using logic, they think with their emotions. Often those emotions interfere with good judgement and they are left backpedaling to salvage consequences.

    I bought an AR over two years ago; I also bought over 1000 rounds of ammunition and a new Leupold scope. I have yet to shoot it. It happens when someone tries to deny your rights. However, I did wait till the prices went down.;)
     
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    Unlikely.

    I suppose because they feel as strongly against as I do for. If we are willing to trade money for principles there are lots of other ways to make money.

    Not knowing the demographic, it could even help business showing where you stand. Chick Fil A always seems ridiculously busy despite being closed on God's day.

    While half way across the Country this sign sits in the window of the Buffalo grill in Lone Oak TX.

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    I would bring a bunch of friends in with t shirts, lapel pins, etc. of AR15's. The whole thing would be captured on video. When we were asked to leave, lawsuit.
     
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    You can't sue for being asked to leave a business, it's private property and they typically have the ability to deny service to anyone they like*. If you refused to leave, they could probably prosecute you for trespassing. Just sayin.

    *There are of course certain things you can't deny service for, based on the law, like race or gender, etc.
     
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    I try to put myself in someone else's shoes and I can't see the logic. If I opened a restaurant, I wouldn't say, 'If you are against the Second Amendment you aren't welcome'. Aside from it being a good opportunity to change someone's mind now and again, you don't have to agree with me politically to pay me to slap a burger on your plate. :D
     
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    If they served good food that I couldn't get anywhere else, yeah I might still go there. If I saw them mistreat someone else for voicing their opinion regarding guns, I'd speak up and take my leave, though.

    A business owner can certainly make business decisions however they like, whether good or bad decisions. They make the rules, it's their business.
     
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    Typical liberal: Backtrack because it hurts their business and wallet, but NEVER admit they might be wrong. No, no!

    Typical EXCUSE. "Haters", really? Anyone that disagrees with the liberal/progressive/democrat/Clinton ideas are "haters", now? Puleeze! :cuss:
    The only thing people were hating about her FB post was being told what they should think and that they were unwelcome for not thinking as she did. I believe the people that publicly stated their displeasure of her public statements were just as righteous in their indignation as she is about her conviction that AR15 owners are not welcome in her place of business. So be it.

    I'll take my AR15 to the range and shoot the ammo I bought with the money I would have spent in her restaurant. That is IF I owned an AR15 and IF I lived in Maine. :what:


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    One of the problems is that virtually the entire media establishment is anti-gun but the same doesn't appear to be true of many other retail areas. The media seems to attract certain and similar kinds of people which isn't likely to change much. Another problem with boycotting in some areas is practicality: are you better off without something like a newspaper or gas?
     
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