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If you received order to disarm legally armed citizens would you execute this order?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Spandauer, Jan 16, 2013.

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If you received order to disarm legally armed citizens would you execute this order?

Poll closed Feb 15, 2013.
  1. Yes, I would! or Undecided.

    9 vote(s)
    4.8%
  2. No, I would disobey an unconstitutional order!

    167 vote(s)
    88.8%
  3. No, I'm already a member of [url]www.oathkeepers.org[/url]!

    12 vote(s)
    6.4%
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  1. Spandauer

    Spandauer Member

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    Eligible to vote on above poll: ONLY military, reserves, National Guard, police, sheriff, fire-fighters, other LE agency members!

    Note: The options "Yes, I would!" and "Undecided." were placed into the same category on purpose!
     
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  2. Thermactor

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    Fire fighters? Really? I don't think they fall into the category..
     
  3. txcookie

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    if that order ever came they would also issue me full battle rattle. I would take it and meet my family back home in TX. I would never EVER go against Americans.
     
  4. Wolfman131

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    I'd speculate that at least intially, about 40% would at least oppose the order in principle. But eventually, most would comply with it. Anyone that supports mandatory government oversight of all gun transactions, is immediately suspect.
     
  5. JERRY

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    whats this oath keeper thing? is it for folks who forgot the first oath they took?
     
  6. gallo

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    Not much hope on leos, fleas, or military. After all they get paid by those issuing the orders.
     
  7. David White

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    I live between two different LE's. I can't wait to see the look on their faces when they try to knock on my door!
     
  8. Blakenzy

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    They will never tell you that you will be going against honest American Citizens. You will be told that you going against homegrown terrorists, or people suspected of being associated with extremists. And it will never be to uphold an unConstitutional law, or illegal order. It will be dressed to make you believe it will prevent the deaths of millions of Americans, or save the Republic. Extreme measure for an extreme, dire circumstance. Military personnel will be kept in the dark prior to any action, receive only skewed if not outright fabricated information, and deployed hastily in a "do or die" atmosphere.

    "We must temporarily secure all civilian weapons in X area of operations to facilitate the work of CDC personnel in locating the stolen vials of weaponized airborne ebola that we believe to be in the hands of a widespread local network of homegrown terrorists with connections to Al Qaeda and Mexican drug cartels"

    If you are military and have not made the premeditated, conscious decision that under no circumstances will you enter a citizen's home, and take anything from him regardless of legislation, or orders (something like Oathkeepers) then I am pretty sure our rulers will be able to get you to play a part in what ever devious plan they may have. Don't be a useful idiot.

    Police forces (especially the larger ones) I am afraid will happily follow orders for home invasion and confiscation because that is what they are geared to do, and do so every single day. Thank you War on Drugs!
     
  9. REDMASTA

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    I think most definitely they would, might be some military and leo who refuse initially but thats it.

    Its their lively hood and necks on the line if they oppose, survival instincts will over take moral reasons...

    Now if its something very horrible then moral reasons can overcome survival instincts, but I dont think confiscation as awful as it would be is enough. It would have to escalate to a whole other level which I doubt would happen.

    Either way dont think they will come after what Americans already own....
     
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  10. MedWheeler

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    I believe there are a significant number of LEOs and soldiers that know (or will know) that, once the populace is disarmed, they themselves will be next. More need to be educated in this.

    After all, no one serves as a soldier or LEO forever.
     
  11. OilyPablo

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    I almost joined OathKeepers, but really there is no need. Don't need to join such a group to protect our Constitution. Besides, I figure we are already on Obama's list, so they will know who to come after first.

    "No one takin' your shotguns, no one takin' your rifles........."

    Lord will we ever learn how to vote? I'll bet there are still some Obama supporters on THR. And for those of you who said he wouldn't......yeah go shrink back and keep your mouth closed.

    May he burn.
     
  12. Blakenzy

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    Oh and the way this poll is questioned is tricky.

    "If you received order to disarm legally armed citizens would you execute this order?"

    You can go from "legally" armed to illegally armed over night, with just a signature. Armed is armed, but legal status is too fickle to make up your mind based solely on that.
     
  13. RustyHammer

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    NY is a perfect example of how to go about it. Now, anyone owning a gun is potentially a criminal ... depending upon mag size, model, registration (now required .. so they know where to start knocking), etc. You see where this is going ... :(
     
  14. BSA1

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    I agree that this is a poorly worded poll question.

    If you mean my choice is between having a job, keeping a roof over our head, feeding my wife and children OR being fired for refusing to follow orders, having my career as a LEO ended with uncertain job choices?

    Well, I sure like having enough to eat and having a roof over my head. Sorry but reality sucks.
     
  15. LNK

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    Sucks to be you if you would follow those orders. Just saying!

    That's reality. Find another line of work....

    LNK
     
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    I have discussed this with my commander. We concur that such orders are illegal, immoral, and unethical. We are under special scrutiny as holders of security clearances to ensure that we do not violate civil rights.
     
  17. Bhi curamach

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    Can I choose who comes to the door? If so I'm going with firemen. I think I might be able to fend off the axes and ladders..
     
  18. lobo9er

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    Happened in Louisiana. Those guys sure felt bad but orders are orders.
     
  19. Bobson

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    What? Elaborate on this, please.
     
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    And after that outrageous Katrina fiasco a great number of states passed laws to prevent such unlawful gun confiscation during natural disasters.
     
  22. lobo9er

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    What about because the Gov doesn't want you to have them? It could happen again. In North Carolina I think it was a local sheriff said NO GUNS and AMMO maybe transported because of a snow storm. It hardly made the news. I will try to find it.
     
  23. JohnM

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    More "orders are orders"? Who's orders? I remember reading about that episode.
     
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    To those who said "I like having my job and feeding my family..."

    Have you considered the possibility that the people behind the doors you're knocking on might not just roll over for you in that scenario? It's not like you're issuing a traffic ticket. This is a major breach of constitutional rights, I can't imagine it would be "just another day at the office".

    Just something to think about.
     
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