Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

If you received order to disarm legally armed citizens would you execute this order?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Spandauer, Jan 16, 2013.

?

If you received order to disarm legally armed citizens would you execute this order?

Poll closed Feb 15, 2013.
  1. Yes, I would! or Undecided.

    9 vote(s)
    4.8%
  2. No, I would disobey an unconstitutional order!

    167 vote(s)
    88.8%
  3. No, I'm already a member of [url]www.oathkeepers.org[/url]!

    12 vote(s)
    6.4%
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2009
    Messages:
    7,397
    Location:
    Central Arkansas
    Who has the power to do this with just a signature? I'm not saying it's impossible for us to get there. Not much would surprise me at this point, but it would take much more than a mere signature.
     
  2. rdhood

    rdhood Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2007
    Messages:
    943
    I am always astounded that this was brushed under the rug by the MSM. Yes, it happened. And LE/Military who participated should be ashamed of themselves.

    I think all it would take would be a few deaths up front (either citizens or LE/Military) and everybody involved on the government side would be forced to take a big step back. Stuff could blow up very quickly. Knocking on a million doors/ a million Ruby Ridge incidents would not be a pretty site. And when I say "knocking on the door", I mean that people would know every LE move due to the internet.
    Some would say: but the government would shut down the internet.
    To that: Seriously? What better way to get the average American citizen/business mobilized on the side of the citizen than to show the constitutional overreach of the government.
     
  3. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2007
    Messages:
    8,947
    Location:
    Californicated Colorado
    Here's how it would happen:

    Officers are handed an arrest warrant, told to go knock on a door and bring in a specific individual.​

    Here's how it would not happen:

    Officer are told to go through a neighborhood, door by door, and collect any and all firearms found.​
     
  4. Elessar

    Elessar Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2011
    Messages:
    52
    Never say Never. We are now in new territory and the way things are trending, anything is possible. The only question is "how long will it take to get to that point?"
     
  5. lobo9er

    lobo9er Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2009
    Messages:
    3,238
    Location:
    Earth, Currently
    Louisiana they went door to door.
     
  6. Guns&Religion

    Guns&Religion Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2010
    Messages:
    129
    I could understand a LEO's dilemma about enforcing something like this. I would hope however, that the would do thier best to make it a low priority.

    On a related note, it may be a good idea at this point, as lawfull gun owners, to not advertize too broadly, the fact that we own these items. (Try not to post photos or videos on sites that have your name or show your face). This might help LEO's avoid the dilemma to begin with.
     
  7. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2007
    Messages:
    8,947
    Location:
    Californicated Colorado
    And they learned that lesson. Next time they won't.
     
  8. lobo9er

    lobo9er Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2009
    Messages:
    3,238
    Location:
    Earth, Currently
    what lesson did they learn?
     
  9. wojownik

    wojownik Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2009
    Messages:
    1,872
    Why? "Yes" is very different from "undecided"
     
  10. Zombiphobia

    Zombiphobia Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2010
    Messages:
    646
    I swore to defend the constitution against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic.

    Why would I break that oath by disarming citizens?

    Now, if those citizens are heavily armed and attempting to destroy government buildings or commit acts of legitimate terrorism for no good reason, then yes, I'd be forced to act.

    But to disarm citizens just because I was given the order? No way. The person issuing that order is asking for trouble.
     
  11. blarby

    blarby Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Messages:
    5,144
    Location:
    Calapooia Oregon
    Thanks ! Much appreciated.

    I know what a lot of 'merica thinks about our "security forces"... I thank you for pointing out that critical thinking does actually occur- and not just singularly, but in groups.
     
  12. TimeRegained

    TimeRegained Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2012
    Messages:
    55
    "If you received order to disarm legally armed citizens would you execute this order?"

    There is a fallacy here.

    You stated legally armed.

    At that point they wouldn't be legally armed.
     
  13. David White

    David White member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2012
    Messages:
    117
    I think you mean this...
    ImageUploadedByTapatalk1358367570.036273.jpg
     
  14. Evergreen

    Evergreen Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2009
    Messages:
    533
    Location:
    Seattle, Washington
    Probably should change the clause "legally armed" to "who were previously legally armed".
     
  15. LNK

    LNK Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2010
    Messages:
    299
    Location:
    SE MA Soon Somewhere else
    Sums it up without being too melodramatic...

    Thanks,
    LNK
     
  16. chipcom

    chipcom member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2013
    Messages:
    287
    Location:
    Wayne County, Ohio
    Question is too vague. Define "legally armed" and provide some context for this hypothetical order.

    I would not comply with any order to disarm citizens legally exercising their rights...unless I perceived those people to be an imminent threat to the health, safety or freedom of innocents, in which case they are abusing those rights.
     
  17. Kiln

    Kiln Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2011
    Messages:
    2,465
    The police here that I know would refuse to collect them.

    Here in Arkansas, the police aren't afraid of guns like the police in Liberal strongholds like New York.

    They don't look at some guy at the target range as a potential enemy but as a law abiding citizens.
     
  18. col.lemat

    col.lemat Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2011
    Messages:
    571
    Location:
    Lakewood, Ca
    Just following orders. Worked for the nazis at Nuremberg. Sorry I don't like rope around my neck
     
  19. JERRY

    JERRY Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2003
    Messages:
    2,349
    new orleans katrina was their own corrupt city cops and cops from commie states mostly who took guns from law abiding folks....

    i imagine the commie areas of this once great country will have cops willing to do this....but id be surprised if the red state cops did this outside of the urban pig styes.

    im not surprised at the "tin" foil hat crowd though, they apply a broad brush to all law enforcement regardless of creed.
     
  20. P.O.2010

    P.O.2010 Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2008
    Messages:
    133
    I swore an Oath as both a Soldier and a Police Officer to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. As a Police Officer I swore an Oath to support and defend the Constitution of my particular State. Enforcing a ban on so-called assault weapons and standard capacity magazines is contrary to my sworn Oaths. I will never obey that type of order.

    If a new Federal so-called assault weapons ban is passed it will result in widespread resistance both violent and non-violent. I for one will not be breaking down a peaceable citizen's door at sunrise with a bunker in one hand and a pistol in the other screaming "Police! Search warrant!" because said citizen chose to retain property he has every right to own and enjoy. I did not join the Police Department to lord over my neighbors or to oppress them under the color of law. I also didn't join so that I could be (justifiably) shot to death while committing armed robbery and kidnapping.

    The law only has teeth because armed men and women stand ready to enforce it. If we as Police Officers and Soldiers simply sit down and say "No" then the operation of the law grinds to a halt. I've read a lot of discussion on here were various commentators state that 'the law is the law' and no one's opinion of the Constitution counts unless they happen to be a high ranking elected official or bureaucrat. On that point we will have to agree to disagree. Every single sane man and woman in this world is accountable for their own conduct. I know full well the consequences of refusing to carry this type of law into effect. I also know that in the long term the consequences of choosing the easier wrong are much heavier and severe than choosing the harder right.
     
  21. Jim K

    Jim K Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2002
    Messages:
    17,706
    A certain person in the past was a national leader. He ordered all military officers to swear an oath of personal loyalty to him, supplanting their previous oath to the constitution of their country. Then the officers ordered their men to take the same oath.

    No worry, then about obedience, was there?

    Of course I won't name the national leader because I would be accused of trying to compare him with our national leader. That is silly because our national leader does not have a mustache.

    Jim
     
  22. sean326

    sean326 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2012
    Messages:
    88
    Location:
    Pa
    the nazis would always make sure the soldiers were not local. i think a soldier from the northeast would have a higher compliance rate against civilians from the southwest.... the feds would follow orders, local cops would baulk.

    you hand a 19 year old an M4 and a uniform and tell him to kick in a door in a neighborhood 500 miles from his home he'll be giggling the whole time texting his buddies how fun it is.
     
  23. lobo9er

    lobo9er Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2009
    Messages:
    3,238
    Location:
    Earth, Currently
    "tin foil hat crowd"
    You mean people that believe if it happened before (in our lifetime) believe it could happen again?
     
  24. winterhorse290

    winterhorse290 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2011
    Messages:
    80
    not if they want to enjoy their retirement.
     
  25. winterhorse290

    winterhorse290 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2011
    Messages:
    80
    the nazis would always make sure the soldiers were not local. i think a soldier from the northeast would have a higher compliance rate against civilians from the southwest.... the feds would follow orders, local cops would baulk.

    you hand a 19 year old an M4 and a uniform and tell him to kick in a door in a neighborhood 500 miles from his home he'll be giggling the whole time texting his buddies how fun it is.
    __________________
    can you imagine someone from maine ordering an 80 year old alabama grandmother to turn over her guns.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page