Lebben-B
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You mean one of these?
16" 1/8, fluted, chrome-lined barrel
Vortec flash supressor
Predator free-float rail system
Bushmaster lower w/MIAD grip
A tad nose heavy, but shoots like a dream.
Mike
If you were going to buy an AR-15...
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You mean one of these?
16" 1/8, fluted, chrome-lined barrel
Vortec flash supressor
Predator free-float rail system
Bushmaster lower w/MIAD grip
A tad nose heavy, but shoots like a dream.
Mike
LoadAmmo
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Very nice Lebben!
Why the 1/8 twist? I've wondered this with POF barrels but haven't asked until now. Will they stabilize all rounds as 1/9?
Also, how far out can you accurately shoot with the flip up rear sight?
Thanks.
Why the 1/8 twist? I've wondered this with POF barrels but haven't asked until now. Will they stabilize all rounds as 1/9?
Also, how far out can you accurately shoot with the flip up rear sight?
Thanks.
Just bought my AR about two months ago. I was looking for 5.56 and not .223 and chrome lined barrel and chamber. I refered to http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/ar15sforserious.htm for much of the info.
That alone narrowed things down to just a few, I think Colt, RRA, Bush, and maybe another one. RRA wasn't shipping their M4-gery with the chrome lined barrels at the time so that ruled them out.
Randall
That alone narrowed things down to just a few, I think Colt, RRA, Bush, and maybe another one. RRA wasn't shipping their M4-gery with the chrome lined barrels at the time so that ruled them out.
Randall
Lebben-B
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I don't know why POF goes with a 1/8 on their 16" barrels. 1/8 will reliably stabilize the longer, heavier match-type rounds up 77gr all the way down to 55gr FMJ. I went with the 16" because it's a good compromise length - short enough to be easily portable, but with enough length to ensure the round has enough velocity to reliably fragment out to ~150-200m.
The BUIS is a Troy Industry flip up. It's a rugged, well-made bit of kit. The sight has 2 aperatures, just like the M16A2. Large aperature for short range, small for longer distances. I've shot the irons effectively out to 400m.
Mike
Rob96
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Actually if you look at what is being delivered to SF, that isn't the case anymore. The Colt M4's have been dropped and they are now using the HK 416, rifles from Leitner and Wise and so forth. I think Colt has felt threatened by this, thus them releasing a gas piston rifle now. Little by little, Colt isn't the only kid on the block anymore.
Lone_Gunman
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If there is a difference between Colt and Bushmaster, I am yet to find it. Admittedly I don't use and abuse any of my guns like the military does. For me though, there has been no difference in the two brands.
Except, of course, that Colt does not want civilians to buy guns with flash hiders, bayonet lugs, and collapsible stocks.
Except, of course, that Colt does not want civilians to buy guns with flash hiders, bayonet lugs, and collapsible stocks.
Rob96
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I disagree with this, as there are companies that are coming out with rifles that follow the same exact mil-spec specs and process that Colt does. They are by all means equal to say the least. And they are at a more consumer friendly price. Do these companies have the capability to produce the number of rifles that Colt can, maybe not. But there are more choices available now.
P-32
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As a retired service member with over 20 years of Naval service, I've never found our Govbernet to buy the best. They buy the cheapest, except when it comes to ashtrays and hammers.
I believe RRA has it all over Colt. The only thing the RRA's don't have is the Pony. I've shot M-16's which were not made by Colt or FN while in the Military, by the way.
The government has set standards (mil spec) that it holds the companies too. Colt is the best I can testify to that from personal experience. The difference between Colt and others is that Colt has a much better system for testing and quality control.
As for Colt not selling to civilians right now that is not political but rather bcause all of their resources are devoted to making arms for the military at the moment.
Pat
As for Colt not selling to civilians right now that is not political but rather bcause all of their resources are devoted to making arms for the military at the moment.
Pat
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believe RRA has it all over Colt. The only thing the RRA's don't have is the Pony. I've shot M-16's which were not made by Colt or FN while in the Military, by the way
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And M4 feed ramps, magna fluxed barrels and bolts. By the way you did not shoot a M16 made by anyone other than Colt or FN. Sorry no one else had the contract. So you have to be mistaken. Thats also a verifable fact. There are some M4's made by LMT and the HK 416 being tested right now. But FN and Colt have the contracts.
pat
believe RRA has it all over Colt. The only thing the RRA's don't have is the Pony. I've shot M-16's which were not made by Colt or FN while in the Military, by the way
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And M4 feed ramps, magna fluxed barrels and bolts. By the way you did not shoot a M16 made by anyone other than Colt or FN. Sorry no one else had the contract. So you have to be mistaken. Thats also a verifable fact. There are some M4's made by LMT and the HK 416 being tested right now. But FN and Colt have the contracts.
pat
Rob96
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The others that are following true mil-spec are doing jast as Colt.
Rob96
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Negative. The civilian production side was split from the military side. The military side was sold off to General Dynamics. So they are two seperate companies now.
Rob96
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No I do believe that there are Vietnam era M16s that are still in inventory made by other companies. Could be wrong.
The LMT's, HK416, Leitner & Wise are not test guns, but special orders. Colt and FN have the contract for big Army.
Sorry your right there were some Armalite guns. Not the Armalite of today which is really Eagle arms since they bought Armalites name only. There were some original AR15's used by the Airforce made by Eugene Stoner's Armalite.
Pat
Pat
Sorry Pat, FN is better than Colt in pretty much every way. Colt may have been the greatest in the past, but they have issues now. There is a reason that FN has picked up almost every single available contract.
I deal mostly with the civillian side of things, but my partner comes from a military (SF) background, and is a 45 Bravo for an SF battalion. He has deployed on combat missions, and has had to maintain a lot of guns. Hopefully he will chime in here, but he can tell you storys about screwed up, from the factory, Colt guns, and their horrible lack of ability to correct the error.
So they are not the best. "period".
I deal mostly with the civillian side of things, but my partner comes from a military (SF) background, and is a 45 Bravo for an SF battalion. He has deployed on combat missions, and has had to maintain a lot of guns. Hopefully he will chime in here, but he can tell you storys about screwed up, from the factory, Colt guns, and their horrible lack of ability to correct the error.
So they are not the best. "period".
ID_shooting
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"By the way you did not shoot a M16 made by anyone other than Colt or FN. Sorry no one else had the contract. So you have to be mistaken. Thats also a verifable fact."
You will have to verify that for me.
I had an arms room full of DPMS A2's when I was an armorer on Ft Riley.
You will have to verify that for me.
I had an arms room full of DPMS A2's when I was an armorer on Ft Riley.
Lone_Gunman
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Not true. Colt is selling to distributors, for the civilian market, some things anyway, including some AR's. But they are not selling AR's with bayo lugs, collapsible stocks, and flash hiders; those are all marked Law Enforcement Only.
Bartholomew Roberts
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No, it is an opinion Pat. If you have some data to support your argument, I am sure we would all love to see it. If you just want to post flame-bait comments with no support, I'd encourage you to find somewhere else to do it.
In addition to Armalite, GM had a contract to build M16s under their old Hydramatic spin off. Despite the fact that they did a horrible job on that contract, you can still find Hydramatic stamped lowers in service today. Which just goes to show that even the "low end" manufacturers produce more good reliable rifles than they do lemons.
Lebben-B
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I was just getting ready to post that the M16A1 I had in basic was a Turbo-Hydramatic.
Following your logic, does that mean the Beretta 92 is the best handgun? It's issued by the military. Is the M60 the best machine gun? It was issued by the military, too. And my personal favorite: The M249. Would you call the M249 the best Squad level support weapon?
Mike
Things are milspec for a reason - it should provide for some minimum standard of individual parts perfomance. For the civilian, the things that would set one AR apart from another is probably going to be 1. quality of initialy assembly and 2. customer service. Honestly, how often does a non-wear part just give up in civilian use? Bush, has the canted front sght bast issue for sure. Bush also takes care of the problem when asked. I'm sure that Colt and others have their share of issues. Question is, how do they handle them? From what I've read, Colt isn't the best to deal with.
Randall
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SilentStalker
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Wow, I have more responses than I thought I would get. I can tell you guys this, I am looking to spend around $800-$1200+ for a mid-length AR-15. I am still kind of confused about this 1/7,1/8,1/9 swivel stuff etc. so if anyone can explain this in greater detail, it would be most appreciated. I can tell you that I would like something chrome lined for longevity and if possible find something that can handle the new 6.8 round that everyone is raving about over the 5.56mm. I don't know if anyone is selling anything complete for this type of ammo yet but I figured I would throw that out there. Now knowing that what do you guys recommend? Custom?? I don't think I have enough experience around these kinds of weapons to venture out and build something yet so that is out of the question unless there is someone that can do this for me. I am still kind of new to this stuff so...! By the way this will be my first rifle, besides the .308 that my dad gave me many years ago.
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