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(IL) Gangs bringing out the big guns

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  1. Drizzt

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    Gangs bringing out the big guns

    Thursday, October 6, 2005

    By Michael Drakulich, The Star

    A gang or drug dispute brought out some heavy weaponry during a shooting in Chicago Heights on Saturday morning.

    The targets were two houses in the 1500 block of Portland Avenue, one of which police referred to as a common hangout for gang members and drug dealers.

    A 27-year-old Chicago Heights man was rushed to surgery after being shot twice in the chest and once in the shoulder around 9:30 a.m.

    A report on the man's condition was not available Wednesday morning from St. James Hospital in Olympia Fields.

    Police and some residents are voicing concerns about the weapons used in the shooting including a .30-caliber weapon, similar to the Russian-made AK-47.

    The AK-47 is a fully automatic military assault rifle used by the Soviet military during the Cold War.

    After recovering several shell casings at the scene, police confirmed a large-caliber weapon similar to the AK-47 was used.

    One resident said he witnessed the shooting and the use of large-caliber weapons.

    Looking out his window after hearing a disturbance, the man said he saw one man armed with an Uzi submachine gun, another with an AK-47 and other men with other types of guns.

    He asked if there were any ways to get the owners out of the problem house not only because of the adults in the neighborhood that are in danger, but the children as well.

    Deputy Police Chief Michael Camilli said one of the houses targeted in the shooting has been a consistent problem for several years and code enforcement will step in.

    Code enforcement has cited the owners on several violations. The owners have five days to correct the problems or they will have to leave until the house is brought back up to code.

    Camilli also is asking for residents' help in reporting crime. He said residents do not have to give their names when they call.

    Camilli said Chicago Heights police have partnered with the FBI, Cook County Sheriff's Police, Cook County State's Attorney, the U. S. Attorney's office and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency to combat gang and drug-related crimes in the city.

    Camilli said because of the partnering, police were able to arrest and charge three juveniles in the shooting death last week in the 100 block of West 16th Place.

    U.S. Marshals also have assisted in identifying a suspect in a shooting death of a Ford Heights woman Sept. 22, which occurred in the 1400 block of Green Street, Camilli said.

    Michael Drakulich may be reached at mdrakulich@starnewspapers.com or (708) 802-8841.

    http://www.starnewspapers.com/star/spnews/news/06-sp1.htm

    you can tell from spent casings that the weapons was an AK-47?
     
  2. jeff-10

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    Probably an SKS.

    Nice blurb to make it seem like it is a full auto weapon.
     
  3. Shear_stress

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    Man, if a .30 cal AK-47 is a "large caliber weapon", my .355 cal pistol must be a hand cannon!
     
  4. blume357@bellsouth.net

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    really

    When did 30 cal. and Ak's become large caliber? Just shows, again, the folks writing the news don't have a clue. Up until the m-16 almost all military type rifles for the past century were 30 cal.

    I remember seeing a blurb a year or two back on TV about the evils of gun shows and how you could buy a ' AK-47 machine gun at one of these shows just like this one' only problem was the reporter was holding a SKS.
     
  5. El Tejon

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    blume, it's Chicago. Everything is large caliber as everything is illegal.

    Did you notice that the article was free of references to Chicago's and Illinois gun laws? About how AKs and Uzis are illegal in Chicago and Cook County?

    Not fair! The gangs (and politicians) aren't obeying the law! :evil:
     
  6. Remington788

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    Great, more ammunition for Blojobovich to push a gun ban. :banghead:
     
  7. Tokugawa

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    I just love the part about "code officials" - so they have gang shootings, dope sales etc, and the best the gov. can do is cite them for "code violations"? They may be going after the owner of the property(probably not the gang) to evict them. I love it. I just love it. They are really fond of misdirecting responsibility- passing laws that require landlords to be responible for tenants behavior. So the cops can't do anything about gangs, drugs, shootings, but somehow the landlord has to evict these creeps? If a swat team can't deal with them, I don't think a landlord is going to have much success serving an eviction notice. I sure wouldn't want to be the one handing them the notice.
     
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    I can't resist pointing out that this guy was shot twice in the chest and once in the shoulder and was still alive at the time of this article. This isn't unusual. It happens all the time. But some people in the gun community can't seem to understand that there is no magic sword.

    This sheds some light on some of the most popular topics on this board that are debated endlessly.
     
  9. Navy joe

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    These news reports are kind of a letdown, I was expecting to read that some of the bangers had aquired the knowledge of a pack howitzer, or had mounted an illegal .50 on an Escalade. At least an RPG. Big guns? What a letdown. :confused:
     
  10. geekWithA.45

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    The AWB passed partly as a gang disarmament measure, as that's where a lot of the fear mongering was centered.

    Don't be surprised if the press starts playing up these stories now that the AWB has expired.
     
  11. Don Gwinn

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    The eyewitness claims to have seen AK47s and Uzis, which could mean anything from SKS, to any chunky rifle with light-blond wooden stocks. The Uzis could be anything from Uzis to Tec-9's to . . . well, too many to describe.

    There is supposedly a distinctive dent left in shells ejected by AK47 actions, though, isn't there?
     
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    Sometimes there is, sometimes there isnt. Most wolf stuff is loaded so light that it doesnt dent the case, them steel cases dont hurt either. Winchester white box or some of the newer bear stuff will though, the AK ejector is just a huge hook the spent case is rammed into at full speed..
     
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    If he was shot twice in the chest and lived I bet it was full metal jacket stuff. Back when those two nut jobs in California Robbed that bank, the press talked about how many folks were shot...but never pointed out how in the world the only two people that died were the two robbers. the two duffuses were shooting full metal jackets all over the place... After the La Pd finally figured out what was going on some cops got smart. 12gage to face will stop anyone even with a bullet proof vest.
     
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    a RPK is very similar to an AK-47, it has a caseing slightly longer than the .308, I can't remember the metric size. The USSR made it that way on purpose, kind of like the 9x23, obviously thier ammo won't fit in to our weapons, but our ammo will fit into thier weapons.

    I was hopeing for some kind of belt fed machine gun, like a M60 or M249 SAW. A fire fight, just isn't a fire fight, w/o a belt fed weapon :neener:
     
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    [deleted the stuff about cartridges, I had a case of contagious confusion]

    Anyhow back on topic it seems to me that gangs start using rifles when they believe they're in control rather than the police. Look at Al Capone, the Barrow Gang, "Pretty Boy" Floyd, Compton around 1990, etc. If the thugs are bringing out big guns it's because they aren't worried about being stopped by the police.
     
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    And speaking of the AWB being a "disarmament of gangs" measure, so was the original, true assault weapon ban in '33.

    '68 was about "crime control".
     
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    El Tejon, methinks you're being redundant. ;)
     
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    Actually one of the robbers took his own life with a pistol after his last rifle jammed, and the other one was shot some 27 times by SWAT after he left the scene. Even though some of the local officers eventually went to a local gun store to borrow some rifles that would hopefully be more effective at penetrating the multiple layers of body armor the perpetrators were wearing, they didn't make a difference in the incident. SWAT made the eventual takedown.
     
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    After reading the title of this thread, I thought the gangs had gotten ahold of a hotchkiss gun or something... not a puny .30 cal.
     
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    the RPK is exactly the same as an AKM/47 excepting for a longer heavier barrel, heavier receiver and a drum/large capacity box magazine in most cases. Same ammo and mags are interchangable though.

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    Huh, I thought all guns were illegal in Chicago, and I know for a fact that shooting up a house and the occupants is illegal.
    I guess it isn't a big deal if the bangers ventilate each other with .380 Hi-Points.
     
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    I guess this means the sky really is falling this time, right?
     
  23. AZ Jeff

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    Virtually EVERYTHING said in the above paragraph is incorrect. Just to clarify: the RPK is a magazine fed, bipod equipped squad automatic weapon. It is chambered for the same cartridge as the AK-47 rifle, the 7.62x39 M1943 Soviet round.

    The US military .30 caliber round currently in use is the 7.62x51 NATO round.

    The cartridge case of the round fired by the RPK is 39mm long. The one fired by the US small arms is 51mm long. As one can see, the US round is physically LARGER than the Soviet counterpart. Safety issues aside, it becomes obvious that the US round would NEVER fit in the action/barrel of any of the Soviet arms.

    You need to educate yourself on the major small arms cartridges of the world. May I suggest you start with some books like "Small Arms of the World", by Ezell, or similar?
     
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    AZ Jeff, thank you.
     
  25. Joejojoba111

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    Anyone think it's a little suspicious that they used the word 'large calibre' so often? Just sort of seems like they received the new directives from the boss, and they are to use words like 'large calibre' whenever possible.

    And then when they pass the 'large calibre weapons' ban the public will remember all the previous crimes committed with 'large calibre weapons', and nod in solemn approval.

    Or it could be an innocent mistake, people confusing small bullets with being bigger than big bullets. Not to easy to make, but possible.
     
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