IL gun owner list to possibly be made public

[csbassplayer2003]

Well If I was a crook, I'd know whos house I'd hit first then...

 

[dcdub]

That would be great, but most break-ins are while no one is home.

I'm no crook, but I sure as heck wouldn't want to risk it. My truck might not be in the driveway because I'm letting a friend or relative borrow it to haul something, but I could very likely be sitting on my couch with my G22 right by my side. Maybe I'm just a little more intelligent than your average criminal, or a little less ballsy. Maybe a little of both

 

[xcgates]

Or could be like me where my ratty car sits in the front of the driveway all the time, because my bikes are in the garage, so unless you see me leave/return you don't know if I'm home.

 

[Larry E]

Lotsa luck in Montana! Unless the BATFE is ILLEGALLY saving NCIC calls from dealers and supplying them to the state there's no way this state would have the information. If they did and published the information the State AG would likely find himself looking for a new job next election.

Makes a guy happy to live in a free state, cold but free.

 

[OC_]

Look who started this whole thing. It wasn't some left wing activist group or anything like that, it was the Associated Press.

I guess they are in the business of making their own news now.

 

[Blue .45]

I don't understand why we need a permit to exercise a constitutionally protected right, in the first place.

 

[plodder]

I am very happy to note that I am a FORMER Illinois resident. The very idea that I needed to have the permission of the state to access a Constitutionally guaranteed right was always infuriating to me. Now this action proves what anyone with any sense knew all along. The government keeping records on law abiding firearm owners could come to no good. If I still lived in IL and my name wasn't on that list, I think I would feel more endangered than if it was on the list. The state of Illinois owes this country an apology. It is the birthplace of the best president of my lifetime (Reagan) and it contains the "hometown" of the worst president in the nation's history.

 

[Old Shooter]

So do they plan to also publish the names and address of all sex offenders, persons on parole, dwi convictions, domestic violence offenders, drug dealers and users, prostitutes and whatever? The answer is no. The agenda will probably be to make FOID holders feel uncomfortable and advance whatever anti-gun ownership agenda they may support now or in the next election.

You probably can't vote them "out" because to be in politics in Illinois they have to be anti second amendment in one fashion or another,. It boils down to vote for the devil you know or vote for the devil you don't. It won't most likely change anything at all.

 

[elderberry]

Check this crap out. We have a nice young lady that works sporting goods at the local Wallyworld. In order to legally touch and sell ammo she must have a FOID card. She does not have a firearm and has never shot a firearm. But her name would get published too.

Fair..???

 

[JoeMal]

Check this crap out. We have a nice young lady that works sporting goods at the local Wallyworld. In order to legally touch and sell ammo she must have a FOID card. She does not have a firearm and has never shot a firearm. But her name would get published too.

Isn't it interesting how that works?

 

[belercous]

I assummed this info was already available to the public, thru F.O.I.A. if nowhere else. So what? I'm not ashamed of being a F.O.I.D. card holder and I don't care if others know it. They could publish the fact that I own guns for all I care. That would probably discourage more burglars than create them.

If a thief thinks he can tell if someone is home at my house just by looking for a car in the driveway, lights on or someone answering the phone, such person(s) could well have their day get real interesting. And smart thieves (oxymoron, I know) might just use the list for houses not to break into, for the obvious reason. Around here at least, guns aren't the highest value item on a crook's wish list. I'd be much more concerned if IL published a list of guitar/stereo/etc. owners. Hot guns don't bring all that much on the black market relative to other items.

This just seems like more hyseria/fear mongering over nothing of much import.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

I'll repost this

For Illinois: Why You Should Fight This

Go to the Memphis (Tennessee) Commercial Appeal newspaper Data Center.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/data/

Under Public Safety, Tennessee Handgun Carry Permits

You can search on first and last name and get a list of everyone by that
name with Tennessee handgun carry permit and select details and get:
Last Name
First Name
Middle Name
Birth year
City
County
ZIP
Issue Date
Expiration Date

The data search used to return street address, until the evil demon gun nuts coerced the holy crusaders of the Commercial Appeal to remove street addresses.

The CA publishes stories with titles like "Armed and dangerous: Dozens with violent histories received handgun carry permits" and "Felons slip through cracks in system to carry firearms" burying the fact that they are talking about 70 out of 32,000 in Shelby County (Memphis) where judges let thugs back on the streets revolving door fashion and don't bother (as required by law) to pull the carry permits of the few who have them. No, the public needs to be warned about the 32,000 legal permit holders. CA acts as though felons would not be carrying guns without the licensing system. As if. The neighborhood I gew up in, I knew bootleggers, gamblers, and other assorted criminal types in the 1960s and they had guns obtained illegally and carried guns illegally before there ever was a permit law. For CA to imply that criminal offenders need to have a permit to carry, otherwise they would not, is insanity. And to act as though the public needs to treat the people on the list as dangers to their safety is crazier.

Coming to a newspaper website near you, if you let it happen.

 

[Sentry71]

So do they plan to also publish the names and address of all sex offenders, persons on parole, dwi convictions, domestic violence offenders, drug dealers and users, prostitutes and whatever? The answer is no.

Illinois Sex Offender Registry - http://www.isp.state.il.us/sor/
Early Release of Inmates - http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/search/CNER.asp
I also found sites for DUI/DWI record checks, as well as other "background check" items, but I don't know if that is what you referred to.

As to whether the AP plans to publish this information, I highly doubt it, since that info is already available. It seems the AP wants access to information that they, by my reckoning of MY privacy, should not have.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-gunowners-disclos,0,5686959.story

State police officials have long held that releasing information about the holders of Firearm Owners identification cards would be an unwarranted invasion of privacy prohibited by the state public records law and that disclosure would automatically endanger the lives of gun owners or those who don't have firearms.

In its letter, the attorney general's office disagreed, saying the public has "a legitimate interest" in having the information about who has the right to possess a gun.....

Who needs a stinkin' list to know "who has the right to possess a gun"? The people have the right to keep and bear arms. Any of them. All of them if they so choose. Geez. I am taking my curmudgeon butt to bed. Bye.

 

[Shooter James]

We in Illinois have a fight on Our hands. At the rate We are going, there will not be any privatcy at all. With the internet, We have lost some privatcy already. I'm for standing with Our State Police, to keep the names private. We as Gun Owners have signed a contract with the State Police, by signing the forms for a FOID card. How Dare anyone, to try to invade Our Contract with Our State Police. This is a tool for the SP to use.

 

[Shinbone]

It's a strange feeling to buy a firearm here in Ill. Almost feel like it's "on loan" until they decide to come and take it from you. Makes you feel kind of sick in the stomach.
Time to head for Wisconsin. (Nearest stateline).

 

[leadcounsel]

Sounds like harassment to me. Maybe the names and addresses and work schedules of the non-gun owners who work at the newspapers should be published...

 

[JTHunter]

Contact the AG!

This was reported on KMOX Radio Wednesday morning, so I contacted Madigan's office in the Belleville area.

They transferred me to "Constituent Services" in Springfield. I was told that their phone number there is 217-782-9394 and I talked with a Mr. Mike Matulis.

He explained that the Associated Press request does follow "case law" and is a legitimate request. He told me that he does believe that the ISP intends to fight this in the courts. He also informed me that there is at least one bill (possibly two) in the State House that would amend the law to KEEP the FOID records "non-public".

Mr. Matulis suggested that we contact all the politicians we can, even if they are not our own, to urge them to support these measures.

Here is the home page for the AG's office. There is a "Contact Us" link at the top right.
http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/

 

[Ignition Override]

Carl N. Brown:
Tragically, a guy's wife decided to 'fuss' with another guy's wife over a tight parking space, by an Italian restaurant in Cordova, a suburb of Memphis.

The gentleman with the legal carry permit ended up feeling threatened by the other, larger guy.
The guy with the permit allegedly walked to his car to get his handgun, then came back and put it in the big guy's mouth.

He pulled it out, and in front of the big guy's wife and children, killed the man.

The shooter is now or will soon be in prison.

 

[Davey Wavey]

HB3500, the bill to keep FOID info protected from FOIA requests, passed in the house recently. It now moves to the senate.

It passed 98 yays to 12 nays.

 

[merlinfire]

I have asked this question a number of times and have never received a good answer, when things like this come up.

What possible public good does such an action serve, when weighed against the fairly obvious public safety concern?

 

[merlinfire]

HB3500, the bill to keep FOID info protected from FOIA requests, passed in the house recently. It now moves to the senate.

It passed 98 yays to 12 nays.

GREAT to hear. I'm in Ohio but I definitely sympathize with gun owners everywhere. This garbage has got to stop. Seems like politics are so bad these days that politicians are willing to cut the nose off to spite the face, even when it comes to public safety, to score political points.

 

[Usmc-1]

Well the criminals of course!