(IL) ISRA takes on Cook AWB

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I disagree that the ISRA is a hunter's organization. I belong to the range outside Kankakee and they have high-power rifle matches there constantly. 300 yard range, 100 yard range, pistol ranges along with a 100 meter range for benchrest people.

From an ISRA email I received today:

In the House Agriculture & Conservation committee the following ISRA supported bills were passed: HB320-Hunting Hours, HB704 Preemption for hunting firearms, HB709 No net loss of habitat, HB151 Free hunting licenses for active duty military, and HB1112 hunting albino deer.

All in all, yesterday was a good day.

Yes, Richard Pearson is a FUDD, and I did send in money to ISRA when I lived in IL. It's so nice to see that he has his priorities straight.
 
That's good Brent, let's just fight among ourselves some more. :banghead: I don't hunt, I don't care a thing about hunting, but I think it's a good thing those bills advanced.

If we keep splitting ourselves into our own little niches we're done. If the shooting community can't accept every little aspect of itself into one fight to keep our rights then we're done.

We have met the enemy and it is us.....The historians will write about how the gun culture imploded and the second amendment died.

I hope you like playing Rainbow Six and Counter Strike, because with that kind of an attitude, that's all the shooting that will be left to us. Or should I say youi, cause all of this proposed legislation exempts me even after retirement. But you don't see me saying, I've got mine, screw you guys.....

If the gun culture spent 1/3 of the energy we spend arguing amongst ourselves and whining about this group or that group not being ideologically pure enough for us on the internet, actually doing something to interest the non shooters in our cause and holding the feet of the elected ones to the fire, we wouldn't be in this situation.

Jeff
 
The Fudd pics and such quotes as:

Some of you guys are FOS..... I suggest you ****.

are the examples of the "split into factions" I mentioned earlier. It was also
reminiscent of the internal divisions I remember always simmering beneath
the surface back in IL between the state and county gun orgs more than 10
years ago.

Look in the mirror, guys, and work together or I can guarantee you'll never
have CCW and there will be a state-wide AWB before there's a federal one.
 
IIRC, SB57 was the so-called "Deal with the Devil". We would close the "Gunshow Loophole" and we were supposed to get something back in return (Can't remember what that something was at the moment). Anyway, they voted down SB 57 and passed a "Background checks at Gunshows" only bill.

Yep, We got screwed and the ISRA learned that you can't make bargins with the devil.
 
Look, whatever, but if the solution is to let Cook County go and decide that Cook County and Chicago can have whatever gun laws Daley dreams up while the rest of us try to hold "the real Illinois," then the fight is over and you should be moving to another state.

Chicago and Cook County have two thirds of this state's population.

Again, Chicago and Cook County represent TWO THIRDS of the population of Illinois. Whatever you can get Cook County to agree on becomes either official policy or law in Illinois, period. Nobody can stop that. So you can either dominate Cook County or lose Illinois.
 
Look, whatever, but if the solution is to let Cook County go and decide that Cook County and Chicago can have whatever gun laws Daley dreams up while the rest of us try to hold "the real Illinois," then the fight is over and you should be moving to another state.

+1. Chicago is not going to break off as some kind of bronze-age city state
and leave the rest of you alone in the more distant countryside. We've come
a ways since then. Think of it more along the lines of how Washington DC
treats the rest of the country: "I am the lord and you are my serfs. Now
get back to work and pay me your taxes."
 
Uhmm... lets see,
Whatever you can get Cook County to agree on becomes either official policy or law in Illinois, period.

I guess I am a little bit confused.

Chicago has had individual gun registration since 1968.

When did Illinois get individual gun registration?

Chicago has not accepeted any new handgun registration (excepting policel/security/alderman) since what 1986 I believe.

When did Illinois stop allowing new handguns?

In Chicago you are only allowed to have ammo/components if you have a firearm of that specific calibre registered in Chicago.

When was that law passed in Illinois?

Please remember there was a Cook County AWB prior to the current AWB.

Again when did Illinois pass an AWB?

Just because Cook County passes something does not mean the state follows suit.

Does it help us to "win" Cook County and lose the whole state?

NukemJim
 
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Again, Chicago and Cook County represent TWO THIRDS of the population of Illinois. Whatever you can get Cook County to agree on becomes either official policy or law in Illinois, period. Nobody can stop that. So you can either dominate Cook County or lose Illinois.
I'm from Chicago. Most of my family lives in Chicago and or Cook County.

You are NEVER going to change the minds of Chicagoans.

They LIKE the corruption.

They LIKE being victims.

They LIKE having 8' iron fences around their homes, and bars on the doors and windows, which makes the city look like a human ZOO.

As long as somebody plows their street, gives their kids a city summer job, and or steps on the necks of the racial and ethnic groups they don't like, they're HAPPY. The idea that you're responsible for YOURSELF, and that there should be ONE law for EVERYBODY, without bribes, favors or payoffs is more grotesque and bizarre to them than cannibalism.

Is that a negative assessment of Chicago and Chicagoans?

You bet, and it's based on having lived there until I went to college and joined the Army, and having family members who like having Daley's firm hand around their throats, every bit much as Sunnis in Iraq liked Saddam's.
 
"Sitting it out because it's a done deal" is a bad idea.

There is a point to be made that wasting lots of resources on a "done deal" that could be better spent on other battles (and there WILL be other battles!) shouldn't be done.

On the other hand, NO response both emboldens the folks who will propose further restrictions and gives them the idea that the vast majority of their constituents are with them.

So, plan your response...and do it! But plan for future battles also, and get the word out early.
 
The idea that you're responsible for YOURSELF, and that there should be ONE law for EVERYBODY, without bribes, favors or payoffs is more grotesque and bizarre to them than cannibalism.

That's about the best description of the staus quo in Chicago that I've heard. I grew up there, and beat feet as soon as I could. The problem is, I didn't go far enough.

I should have gone east instead of southwest, but who thought the midget emperor would become the monster he became? When I lived in Chicago, he was still trying to chase ambulances. Now he thinks he's king of the world.
 
"The antis even craft their bills with throw away provisions so they can negotiate."


And this one is full of those---no compromise is the only way.

ISRA has a chance of blocking the Cook ban because Daley and Stroger won't have to lose face in the press---no one even knows that the thing passed in the first place. Stroger, Daley and their ilk are low excuses for men let alone politicos--they are cowards.
 
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