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(IL) Tragedy Spurs Renewed Call for CCW

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  1. Blaster

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    The following is a statement released today by Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA) Executive Director, Richard Pearson:

    On behalf of the officers and directors of the Illinois State Rifle Association, I would like to extend condolences and sympathies to the families of those killed and injured during Friday's armed assault on a downtown Chicago law office. I would also like to commend the Chicago Police Department for taking the decisive actions necessary to bring the standoff to a swift conclusion.

    This tragedy underscores the fact that we live in a violent world - a violent world where individuals bent on committing murder and mayhem will take great lengths to evade the law and thwart even the most sophisticated security systems in order to commit their barbaric deeds.

    As home to some of the nation's leading financial service companies, the Citigroup Center employs state of the art security hardware and comprehensive security procedures to protect its tenants. Nonetheless, Friday's gunman was able to muscle his way through a security checkpoint, travel to the 38th floor of the building, chain the doors to the law office shut, and methodically execute 3 people -- all for the sake of a disagreement over, of all things, a toilet seat.

    With their only means of escape chained and padlocked shut by the gunman, the 30 or so workers in the law office became the proverbial "fish in a barrel." Had the police not intervened so swiftly, the gunman could have continued on his rampage, unimpeded, until he either ran out of ammunition, or until he ran out of victims to kill.

    One has to wonder how the outcome may have differed had any of the law office staff been trained and licensed to carry a defensive firearm. Unfortunately, the answer to that question will remain unknown as Illinois is one of only 2 states in the nation that prohibit law abiding citizens from carrying firearms as a means of self defense. Indeed, the outcome would be hard to predict, but at least the people in that office would have been given a fighting chance to survive.

    In response to Friday's tragedy, the Illinois State Rifle Association will be drafting legislation that will provide well trained, law-abiding citizens the opportunity to carry defensive firearms. That legislation will be introduced into both chambers of the General Assembly early next year.

    Whereas those lobbying against concealed carry laws can muster only invective and hyperbole to support their opposition, the facts undeniably demonstrate that reduction in violent crime accompanies the implementation of laws allowing citizens to carry defensive firearms. It is time for the Illinois General Assembly to recognize that citizens can be trusted with the awesome responsibility of defending themselves, their homes, and their families.

    This will not be the first time that concealed carry legislation has been introduced into the General Assembly. Unfortunately, previous concealed carry bills have, time and time again, been unceremoniously buried in committee, never to see the light of day.

    I am calling upon Senate President Jones and House Speaker Madigan to allow open debate of the merits of these upcoming bills before the full Senate and full House. It is high time for an open and honest discussion of the rights and responsibilities of both the government, and individual citizens, when it comes to the matter of self defense.

    It is regrettable that we even have to talk about people carrying guns to defend themselves. But, as we learned Friday, good people too often find themselves the victims of the evil intentions of others. With that in mind, the very least the legislature could do is recognize that the good people of Illinois have a right to defend themselves, and allow these good people to exercise that right with the most effective means available -- the defensive firearm.

    CCW for Illinois
     
  2. Autolycus

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    I dont think it will get very far. However I am supporting it completely.:eek:
     
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    A nice sentiment, and worthwhile propaganda, but utterly futile in a city in which it's virtually impossible to OWN a handgun to conceal.
     
  4. GoRon

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    I've only been in the "gun scene" for around 5 years. Maybe someone who has been around longer can comment.

    Does it seem like ISRA is making an attempt to be more pro active in support of CCW?

    It could be I wasn't paying as much attention before but this is my impression.
     
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    I think they might be. Perhaps there members called up and asked what is being done about CCW legislation? From what I have gathered through www.concealedcarry.org is that the ISRA is more concerned with hunting guns and their own little affairs then the actual pursuit of shall issue legislation.

    My guess is that the tragedy reminded them that we dont have this and it may have saved someones life. But we will see. If I like what I see from them I will toss some money their way and join. I am an NRA member and want to join GOA next. But the money is not all there due to college.

    What I want to know is where is the NRA in Illinois?
     
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    Sometimes I think the NRA has just written off Illinois as a lost cause. It seems like any money they spend is just down the rabbit hole.

    Illinois politicians have had it their own way for far too long. And think about this, you lucky devils living out of this socialist dump with crummy weather and worse roads, Obama is making noises about running for President.

    Think about him and H. Clinton, in whatever order, as the presidential ticket in '08. What do you think they'll do to gun rights if they're elected. Because you can count on Illinois to vote for them, lock stock and barrel. Imagine these two in charge, and with a democratic congress. Illinois from coast to coast.
     
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    It will be nice to know that Chicago is importing our gunlaws isnt it?

    I wonder if the NRA had spent more on Illinois would we have been able to squash these 2 before they went for a more national office?
     
  8. Jeff White

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    GoRon,
    I personally spoke to Richard Pearson about CCW a couple years back back. The ISRA has a plan to turn the FOID into a CCW. Requirements to get a FOID are about the same as the requirements to get CCW in many states.

    Just like all politics, you have to wait for the right time. Look to the North at the problems Wisconsin is having. It costs a lot of money to push things like CCW. You need to start the big push when the time is right and you have a reasonable chance of succeeding. We're a few years behind Wisconsin in that respect. The ISRA is not against CCW. It's not a duckhunters and hi-power shooters organization. It is however more in tune with political reality and how things are done then other organizations.

    I am as impatient as everyone else. I'd love for my family to be able to carry. But if we bankrupt ourselves in an effort that has no chance of succeeding then we're just setting ourselves back. We'll strike when the time is right.

    Right now we're at the stage where we get a CCW bill introduced in the general assembly and the senate every session. That's more then we got not so long ago.

    Jeff
     
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    Richard Pearson's plan goes something like this: "Let's wait until Blago and Daley roll out the red carpet for ISRA and beg us for advice on how to reform Illinois. Then to make sure that Blago and Daley really like the ISRA plan, we'll insist that they send over a limosine and champaign".

    You won't see anything in Pearson's "plan" about activating ISRA members to start pressuring the legislature to pass right-to-carry.

    Sound a little harsh? Well I was a member of ISRA while living in Illinois, and I never got any notices from ISRA telling me to contact my legislator about right-to-carry. Anyone that wanted to find out when legislation was on the move, or where it was being bottled up had to do their own research.

    You will get right-to-carry in Illinois when Richard Pearson croaks and a new leader gets elected or appointed who is highly motivated to make it the organization's #1 priority.
     
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    We get e-mail alerts now on pending legislation. Some days I would have an alert from ISRA and the NRA in my inbox.

    Here is a link to sign up for their email alerts. Open to non members also. LINK

    It seems they may have been slow to come around but are now making it a priority.
     
  11. LAR-15

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    Heck didn't Blago have a hissy fit over allowing military police officers to carry?
     
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    Unfortunately, even if Illinois did allow CC, the Citigroup Center would surely not.
    Thats' the problem here in Ohio as well. Nine out of ten places you go during the course of the day forbid concealed carry. But then... misdemeanor < felony < death.
     
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    Here is another article...

    Nice that our governor just avoids the issue.
     
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    Yes because there were enough cops to stop this before it happened. I wonder what they would say if we replaced carrying guns with preaching religion?

    And you notice how they get the Brady people to chime in. It is inevitable that a permit holder will break the law. But then could we not claim that people will break the law regardless, so what is the harm in restoring another right to the citizens of Illinois?
     
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    Yet the BG shot 3???:confused: How can that be in the land of no guns?:rolleyes:
     
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    Ms. Bishop,

    Lying does not become you. Please check your facts and get back to us.

    Sincerely,
    Scout26
     
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    Chicago, isn't that the place where a mayor is elected for life and when he dies his son is automatically elected for life ??
     
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    Strictly speaking, this is true, but when the laws get as strict as they are in places like Illinois and New Jersey, it's a little difficult not to break some law without keeping your guns unloaded in the safe, and your posterior end glued to your living-room couch...
    /hyperbole
     
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    If you were to apply the same standard to the Chicago PD, they'd be carrying wifflebats instead of guns. And I've never heard the ISRA ranting menacingly on NPR about how CHL holders should be able to carry guns AFTER a FELONY domestic abuse conviction.
     
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    So if it passed my F.O.I.D would instantly become a CCW permit? I cant think of anything better.
     
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    As usual these organizations give quotes that have no factual basis. A quick google on her name shows, not suprisingly, her sister was shot to death. Its a shame these people allow personal tragedy to justify lying to others to further their own cause, but it seems all too common.

    here's her email address if you'd like to attempt to converse with her [email protected]
     
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    Wishful thinking but I don't think it'll ever happen here in IL. With Blago just re-elected and Daley about to be re-elected, you can cancel any thoughts of CCW in Illinois for the near future.

    Face it, you're talking about people in power who don't care about CCW because they already have tons of bodyguards who carry. They do not care about your personal safety.

    It's a shame what Bishop said. But by her reasoning, they wouldn't let people drive because they know people who have commited road rage on impulse.
     
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