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Illegal Asian immigrants caught in Goliad County

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Desertdog, May 26, 2005.

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  1. Desertdog

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    Isn't this the same ages as most of our troops? It makes me wonder just how many Chinese of military age we have hiding in this country. The biggest question is; Are they just poor Chinese looking for a better living, or are they Chinese troops deployed to America.

    Illegal Asian immigrants caught in Goliad County
    http://victoriaadvocate-proxy.nandomedia.com/local/local/story/2803313p-3246198c.html

    ROBIN M. FOSTER
    Victoria Advocate

    GOLIAD - Goliad County wrote a new chapter Tuesday in its ongoing dealings with human smuggling. Sheriff Robert DeLaGarza said more than a dozen Asians who appear to be illegal immigrants were caught traveling through south Goliad County by a deputy patrolling an area north of Sarco.

    DeLaGarza said the suspected illegals had passports from the Republic of China. It appears they are obtaining passports to enter Mexico as tourists, then making their way to the United States border, he said.

    A U.S. Border Patrol agent who picked up the immigrants later in the day told DeLaGarza the agency is seeing more and more Chinese coming across the Mexican border.

    A spokesman for U.S. Border Patrol confirmed that 13 Chinese illegal immigrants were picked up in Goliad County. Rogelio Cervantes, spokesman for the Rio Grande Sector of U.S. Border Patrol, said they will be held for deportation proceedings from the agency's Corpus Christi station.

    DeLaGarza's department, as well as the sheriff's departments in neighboring Refugio and Bee counties, has been working with residents of the Sarco area in south Goliad County to crack down on the flow of illegal immigrants through their community. Residents there are concerned that the human smugglers who are driving the illegals through could also be transporting drugs, weapons or terrorists.

    DeLaGarza said Deputy Jim Garner was on patrol when he spotted the vehicle containing the Chinese immigrants headed north on Farm-to-Market Road 2441. As he pursued the pick-up, the driver stopped and fled into the brush, DeLaGarza said. The deputy found about 10 people hiding in the rear of the pick-up under a burlap tarp. Three others, all young women, were riding inside the truck, he said. All of the people appear to be in their teens and early 20's, the sheriff said.


    Robin M. Foster is a reporter for the Advocate. Contact her at 361-275-6319 or cueroadv@vicad.com.
     
  2. beerslurpy

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    I'm telling you, the chinese could land a complete army in Mexico unopposed and march right across the border tomorrow.

    Would you put that past the Mexicans to do?
     
  3. gunsmith

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    I'm shocked!

    Shocked I tell you!

    When I was working for the city & county of SF it seemed like 90% of the workforce was illegal Chinese aliens,I think it is illegal to even ask CA State and city job applicants if they're here legally-I remember one State employee was deported to the Phillipines a year or so ago-worked for CA allmost 20yrs! :cuss:

    I am all for legal immigrants but I think we have got to shut our borders for awhile if they refuse to intergrate with the mainstream they should all go home.

    We could never go to those countrys and work and collect benifits :cuss:
     
  4. Standing Wolf

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    Immigrants have always been one of America's greatest strengths; I'm beginning to wonder, however, whether it might not be wise to take a break from allowing immigrants in. That's not fair to the deserving people who'd give anything to come here and become real Americans, of course, but it's occurred to me we might need to bail out the life boat before we take on any more passengers.

    The millions upon millions of illegal aliens that infest our nation like a cancer—some of whom could, indeed, be communist Chinese troops—are a disaster metamorphosing into a catastrophe.

    Too bad we don't have a Republican president and congress to take action.
     
  5. Solo

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    :rolleyes:
     
  6. Chris Rhines

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    You don't think that this might be a tinly little leap of logic, do you? Please.

    - Chris
     
  7. CleverName

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    Quotes like this are seriously damaging to your credibility and the credibility of everyone else who supports the RKBA. It makes you look like a xenophobic racist conspiracy-theorist, simply and bluntly put.

    Also, factor in how many of these young men were RAISED here. And how many are legal immigrants. And how many are American-born. Like, say, me (NATIVE BORN, 18-year old male American. Of immigrant, Hong Kong-born, later naturalized parents).
     
  8. dasmi

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    Wait, this can't be true. I thought everyone sneaking across the borders were poor mexicans just looking for work to feed their families. My beloved Government couldn't've lead me astray.
     
  9. BerettaNut92

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    I'm actually a sleeper agent. I'm training to fight you and read what you are carrying in case I run into you....
     
  10. CleverName

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    Also, Gunsmith, what defines "mainstream"? Suburban, affluent culture? Rural culture? West coast? East coast? Midwest? Could it not be even slightly possible that as immigrants of any culture become more "mainstream" the mainstream becomes more like that culture?

    Or do you want to reject pierogis, delis, and St. Patrick's Day? After all, Eastern Europeans, Jews, and Irish were demonized in the past. But these are all now acceptable parts of "mainstream" culture.

    And how would you go about defining cultural integration? Or when enough time has passed? Who will pay for the voyage home - the Government with taxpayer money? Doesn't this seem like more needless Government interference with our lives?

    Just think of me when you hear the Culture Police executing a midnight no-knock on a gunowner's house, because somebody has declared it not "mainstream" to own a gun.
     
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    No I don't think it is a leap of logic.
    I have been paying attention to the things they have been doing for years. They control both ends of the Panama Canal, They have a large "import" operation at the old George Air Force Base, near Barstow CA.

    It was reported a few years after they moved onto the base that the 3rd floor of the building was actually a spy operation capable of intercepting communications for a radius of 200 miles, which includes all So. CA bases, NV bases, and AZ bases of any consequence.

    To me it is only logical if they have things like this, they will want troops too. :scrutiny:

    If anybody knows differenty, please educate me
     
  12. CleverName

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    Where's the profit to China in a Chinese invasion?

    And before anybody accuses me of being a Chinese apologist, I absolutely hate the current regime in China. How religion is being repressed, how prisoners are executed for body parts, and how other gross violations of human rights carry on every day disgusts me.

    OK, let me try to make my point clearer. Let's say you're China. You've just infiltrated a million troops into America (which is several times more than Chinese illegal immigrant estimates).

    The US outnumbers you 295 to 1.

    Not to mention that to feed/care for an army takes a LOT of logistics, China cannot effectively project military force, the fact that armor tends to be noticed, and the likelihood of a organized Chinese infiltrating army goes to nil.

    Or let's say they're guerilla units. Well, illegal immigrants don't typically get hired into sensitive positions - CEO background checks, clearence, etc. tends to catch stuff. So the only option is to try to "melt into the hills" and wage asymmetric warfare. Well, guess what, it's unfamiliar territory, and I'd bet there's hostile folks in those hills.

    And for what gain? You lose a valuble, nuclear-armed trading partner. You lose one of the top consumers of your products. You gain a chunk of real-estate. Great, what are you going to do, ship a half-billion people there for liebestraum?
     
  13. longeyes

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    Why invade when you can own?

    The Chinese already have us by the economic shorthairs.
     
  14. Amy

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    I'm with Gunsmith on this. It has been my candid observation over many years that immigrants, both legal and illegal, come here not to become Americans, but to set up their exclusive enclaves and NOT integrate into our society as Americans. I object to that and I feel we should not allow it. We should do away with this multilingual BS and insist they learn the language of this country, which is ENGLISH!!!

    No more should there be multilingual ballots, signs, phone menus, ATM's, etc. This whole multicultural crock of BS is killng our country, and what it seems we are expected to be so "tolerant" of is the destruction of our own unique American culture, our values, and way of life.

    This isn't China or Mexico! Just try to go over there with 20 million of your closest friends and pull what they are pulling here!

    Amy
     
  15. dleong

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    Pretty soon, we'll hear the Chinese in this country declare:

    "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!"




    (Sorry. Couldn't resist it! :D )


    DL
     
  16. CleverName

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    Amy, since pretty much all of us can at one time trace our heritage back to some land other than America, do you then think that we should mimic the oldest culture here?

    Let's assume that I move you along with a chunk of your family to Hong Kong in order to stake out a new life. Let's also assume, that if you had your druthers, you would be back in America, but you can't move back. So you say that, deep down in your heart of hearts, you would not in any way, shape, or form seek out restaurants, people, books, etc. that remind you of home? Or that learning a complex language like Cantonese beyond the bare minimum would be hard? And that if you could, you would rather converse in English?

    But English is easy, you say? No. English is by all reports one of the hardest languages to learn. The grammar is reletively unstructured and purely positional, there are no genders to clarify adjectival relation, and the mix of linguistic sources for words makes conjugation and declension, as well as the numerous exception to spelling and grammar rules, difficult for an adult learner.

    Excuse me if I think that total integration is not only a functional imposibility but not necessarily advantageous, as well as setting dangerous political precident. Why are some gun owners advocating total cultural homogenity enforced through Government power?

    Couldn't that be warped to total disarmament through Government power?

    In short:

    Why are you advocating more Government control of commerce?

    Why are you advocating more Government control of language?

    Does this not smack of Newspeak, of 1984 to anybody else?
     
  17. BamBam-31

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    American culture, values, and way of life is, by definition (see Bill of Rights), not only tolerant of but founded upon what you call a "multicultural crock of BS." Dunno what country you've been living in.... :rolleyes:
     
  18. gunsmith

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    mainstream

    means being able to understand basic street signs and being able to communicate with the person you nearly killed because you took your driving test in Cantonese and you couldn't read the durn "right lane must turn right" sign.
    I had a Chinese judge tell me in court that the 2nd Amendment doesn't mean "you have the right to have a gun".
    This in no way shape or form means I dislike Chinese people,my Goddaughter is Chinese and her mom (the greatest love of my life) is too.
    As far as the Irish,I lived there for two years and I wish they would stop coming over and competing for my jobs as well (most Irish are way liberal when it comes to guns)
    Every other country demands respect for it's borders it's language and culture,it's not xenophobia it's survival.
    One of my favorite city workers I protected as an armed guard for SF was this nice women from Vietnam she spoke great english,and really tries hard to assimilate to American culture,she voted for Bush because "Those liberals are as bad as the communist I left in Vietnam" but many of her co workers always push for exactly the same kind of politics that ruined their own country.
    When the "Europeans, Jews, and Irish" came here they also tried to assimilate,they were also checked for diseases but now it's to "incorrect" to do that and TB is now on the rise!
     
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    Illegal Immigrants Are Spreading Dangerous Diseases Across This Nation

    http://www.americandaily.com/article/7751

    Illegal Immigrants Are Spreading Dangerous Diseases Across This Nation
    By Dave Gibson (05/12/05)
    It is often said that the flood of illegal immigrants into this country is reaching 'epidemic proportions.' While that statement is true--it is just as true that the illegal immigrants pouring over the U.S.-Mexican border are endangering this country with actual epidemics. Tuberculosis, hepatitis, dengue fever, chagas, and even leprosy are being imported into the U.S. inside the bodies of illegal aliens...And you thought they only carried heroin-filled baloons inside their bodies!
    A 'hot-zone' of disease can be found in this nations border states. Illegal immigrants are setting up so-called "colonias" just inside the states of New Mexico, Texas, and Arizona. The shanty towns are comprised mostly of cardboard shacks and huts made with cast-off building materials. They have no sanitation, and are surrounded by mounds of garbage. The estimated 185,000 illegals share their makeshift towns with armies of rats. Of course, diseases only common to Central and South America run rampant in these places.

    One of the imports to this country is chagas disease. It is caused by a parasite known as trypanosome. It is a blood-borne disease and is spread by triatomine insects. The parasite burrows into human tissue (usually in the face), where it then begins to multiply. In addition to being spread by insects, it can also be contracted through blood transfusions.

    After cases of chagas were reportedly discovered to have been spread by transfusions in Canada, that nation began testing all blood donations for the disease.

    For 40 years, the number of recorded cases of leprosy within the United States totaled 900. Today, we know of more than 7,000 current cases of leprosy in the U.S.

    Dr. John Levis of New York's Bellevue Hospital's Hansen Disease Clinic said of America's documented cases of leprosy: 'There are probably many, many more and they are spreading."

    Most of those in the U.S. who are suffering from leprosy are from Mexico, India, Brazil, and the Caribbean. However, there are a few documented cases in which the person became infected with leprosy inside the U.S. The majority of the cases have been discovered in this nation's northeastern region.

    Once thought to be nearly eradicated in this country, TB is now making a strong comeback. In a recent interview with Mother Jones Magazine, Dr. Reichman of The New Jersey TB Clinic recently said: In the 1990's, cases among foreign born Americans rose from 29 percent to 41.6 percent. Antibiotic resistant strains from Mexico have migrated to Texas. Since three years ago, 16,000 new cases of TB were discovered in the United States. Half were foreign born. Strains of TB once only found in Mexico have migrated to the border states of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California. It will move north as illegal aliens work in restaurants as cooks, dishwashers, and food handlers. We sit on the edge of a potential catastrophe."

    In 2001, New York's Tuberculosis Control Program discovered that 81 percent of that city's new cases of TB were attributed to immigrants

    Cases of TB are now being found in many areas of the country, where there are high concentrations of illegal immigrants. In March of 2002, The Washington Post reported that Virginia's Prince William County experienced a 188 percent increase of TB infections over the previous year. Yes, the streets of Prince William County are over-run with illegal aliens seeking day-laborer jobs.

    Last year, the rate of TB in the northern part of Virginia rose 17 percent. The Va. Department of Health blamed the rise on that region's recent flood of illegal immigrants. Many strains of TB are being found in certain neighborhoods, which are dominated by illegal Latin American immigrants.

    The threats posed to our country by illegal immigration are many. However, our political leaders will undoubtedly continue to ignore them. Our own president is willing to place all Americans at risk, in exchange for securing the Latino vote for the Republican Party.

    If left unchecked, illegal immigration will destroy this nation one way or another.
     
  20. mrhuckins

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    If you are imigrating to this country to be a part of it, then I think you should adapt to its environment. The national language is American (our language is not English as many of you suspect). If you can't speak American, you shouldn't get a green card. PERIOD! Guess what, that guy that you buy groceries from? He was probably born here, and speaks American, not Cantonese, German, Russian, etc. Same with your boss, co-workers, neighbors etc. That is unless you move to this country, form your own exclusive community, and separate yourself from our culture and way of life. (self imposed segregation anyone?)

    I think its just rude to be in public in America, and speak any language that isn't American. Unless your a tourist from another country. A tourist that is leaving soon.
     
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    Here we go again, isnt it strange, it seems one must be a racist only if you live in America, your white and your for controlling our borders. What a shame, wake up folks its not being a racist wanting to maintain our quality of life and with the present rate of "illegal" immigration this will not be possible in a few years. Yes, it would be nice to feed and provide for the world but should we kill ourselves in the process. Is it possible our schools, hospitals, roads, etc. can continue to operate under the continued rising population.

    Ask yourself why do you limit the size of your family, so perhaps you can feed,cloth and school them. It that because you hate children or perhaps a wise decision.

    We need and require a moratorium on all immigration for at least 3 years and then have a controlled immigration policy that works. Will it happen, no, because of the greed of those in control. :mad:
     
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    The racism card is pure hoo-haaa.

    The United States, like any other sovereign country, has the sole right to police its borders, and to set and enforce its immigration policies. Last time I heard, free discussion among its citizens was indispensable to how the US government worked to serve them.

    As big as it is, the US is finite.
    I've been coming to the US every couple of years, and some neighborhoods have been swallowed up by a tide of new immigrants, a few of them for the better but the majority for the worse. We're talking all manner of skin tones here, from what you would call white to what you would call black. Legal or illegal immigrants, who knows?

    If criminals constitute a 'race', :scrutiny:
    then I guess the call to keep out illegal immigrants might be racist.

    So far the call has been to either
    1. Severely restrict current immigration quotas.
    2. End illegal immigration

    Where's 'racism' in those two?
     
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    One million Chinese can't be Wong.


    Sorry. :)

    Chinese immigration through Mexico is not new. Head to Mexico and you will see a fairely decent % of mixed Chinese/Mexican heritage.

    We brought them over as cheap labor in the 1800's, why do you think they're going to stop coming now? It's much easier to land in Mexico and make your way North then to sneak into Long Beach.
     
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    No, it is not racist to want to control borders. At least not always. If you want to control the borders because you want to keep certain cultures out, you are a racist. If you want to control the borders in order to manage a national security risk, you are not racist.

    But suspecting all young Chinese-looking men as Chicom soldiers? That's deluded, sterotypes many young Chinese and Chinese Americans (because, after all, it is impossible to tell on sight whether somebody is a 4th generation American or was smuggled in yesterday, no matter what nationality they are), and will most likely be viewed by others as racist.

    mrhuckins-
    Why are you so offended when people speak a language other than American English? As one ages, the chance of learning another language - truly learning, not just a couple phrases - lessens by a great deal. You would have a old grandmother be silent in public merely because at her age, the chance of her learning a second language is nil?

    Also, being bilingual is a skill highly prized by many employers. Don't US Special Forces have to be fluent in another language?

    I'm sure that if I transplanted anybody from this board to any foreign land, you would naturally try to find the other American expats, and form at least a semblance of a community. I'm sure you'd also feel safer there, especially when you don't have to deal with your new tounge.
     
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