Illegal Asian immigrants caught in Goliad County

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Why are you so offended when people speak a language other than American English?
I personally am not offended. Speak whatever language you want. BUT, if you want to conduct business, you must speak the language of the land. This is America, we speak English, if you want to work here, learn. No one in France would expect anything less than me to learn French if I wanted to work there. No one would bat an eye if Germans demanded I learn German to work in Germany.
 
Perhaps this is colored to some degree by my own experiences as an expat.

When I was about 8, for 2 years I went to school in Hong Kong. I didn't speak much Cantonese at the time, and found getting along very difficult. I must thank the British school system because without it I would not have been able to get along at all. My Cantonese wasn't much better when I left than when I arrived. I was far too young to know any of this sophisticated politiking around language, all that I knew was I wanted to go back home to America, and didn't particularly like having to learn a new language.
 
Why are some gun owners advocating total cultural homogenity enforced through Government power?
Unless I missed it, no-one advocated government enforcement.

My Cantonese wasn't much better when I left than when I arrived.
THAT is what you can thank the British school system for. Had you been forced to learn it, you could probably pass for Chinese over the phone. (Something in there about the fact that any color can pass for American, but a white man could never pass as Chinese...)

Edited to add: It's the same damn situation as when we teach immigrants (legal or otherwise, but only the Spanish-speaking ones) in their native language in our schools. Surprise surprise, they grow up without ever learning proper English!
 
Being against illegal immigration does not mean you're racist, but it does often align you with people that are. Same goes for those that advocate an "English only" rule. The race card definitely is in play here; to deny that is simply inane.

Moderators, why is it that when racist statements are made against people of Asian descent, they are tolerated or ignored? What if you substituted Jewish, Black, or Muslim instead of Mexican or Chinese? How much would a thread like that be tolerated? "All young male Muslims are terrorists cells lying in wait!!" Please. :rolleyes:
 
I'm actually a sleeper agent. I'm training to fight you and read what you are carrying in case I run into you....

Damn Skunk, they're on to us. I'll meet you at the alternate meeting site.
 
Rant for Furriners and Slackers

/rant [on]/
Of course the [legal] newcomers are welcome, but 'you peopel' knew this was an English-speaking country when you came here, so learn the language, get a good job, and have a good life', but otherwise SD&****, we ain't reprinting everything in Spanish/Farsi/Arabic/Chinese or any other lingo-du-jour. It is a common language that unites us all and furthers the discourse on freedom and liberty.

Similarly, you also knew that this was a Western, pluralistic, secular culture with a Christian tradition before you came here, and if you want to dress funny and pray to the East, we don't care (actually, we encourage prayer), but you'll be happier in the long run if you figure out how to fit in and get along. It is not our job to 'accomodate' you.

All the whiney, blissninny liberal idiots who think that 'multiculturalism' is some sort or social goal, and think that we should 'celebrate diversity', REALLY piss me off. They aren't helping anyone. E Pluribus Unum, morons! America is 'the melting pot', we are multicultural by definition. Always have been. The last thing we need is a bunch of politically correct, hyphenated "-Americans" to fragment things. It focuses on where you're from, not where you're going. We are ALL Americans. Period.

High among the reasons we are the great (and still improving) nation we are today is because we have been able to assimilate and integrate the best features and values of all the diverse people (and their associated cultures) who have come to this country. American culture is a spicy gumbo of world cultures. It is unique, vibrant, evolutionary, and, oh, yeah, diverse - and that's what makes it "American", and we treasure that.

If you want to speak Spanish and live in a Latin society, stay where you are. If you want to live in an Islamic theocracy, stay where you are. If you want to live in a racially/ethnically/culturally homogeneous society, stay where you are. But if you want to live in the country that has produced more prosperity for more people than any other on Earth; while at the same time being the most generous nation on Earth in providing more aid and assistance to the entire rest of the world, give the U.S. a try. All we ask is that you learn the language, work hard, pay your taxes, obey the law (as best you can on the last two, we have way too many of each) and embrace the notions of "In God We Trust" and "E Pluribus Unum". Though there are no guarantees in life, if you get with the program here (that includes 'fit in' and 'get along' with the rest of us), you'll likely do well. (And BTW, we expect no less from our own citizens-). Live well, and prosper.
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For those who came to work to better themselves, have at. For those who think they can just sneak in ride the gravy train of public assistance, read on:

Bill of NO Rights
"We, the sensible people of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior, and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other liberal bedwetters. We hold these truths to be self-evident: that a whole lot of people are confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill of No Rights.
ARTICLE I: You do not have the right to a new car, big screen TV or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.
ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone - not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.
ARTICLE III: You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all your relatives independently wealthy.
ARTICLE IV: You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.
ARTICLE V: You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.
ARTICLE VI: You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim, or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us want to see you fry in the electric chair.
ARTICLE VII: You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big screen color TV or a life of leisure.
ARTICLE VIII: You don't have the right to demand that our children risk their lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience. We hate oppressive governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from going to fight if you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the whole world and do not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and a funny hat.
ARTICLE IX: You don't always have the right to a job. All of us sure want all of you to have one, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities of education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.
ARTICLE X: You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to pursue happiness - which by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an overabundance of idiotic laws created by those of you who were confused by the Bill of Rights."
 
failure to communicate

clever name
I've been run off the road and nearly killed because the people driving refuse to learn enough english to read the darn street signs.
lack of english skills dooms them to menial work as well.
 
You go to live in China, you learn the language. Same as France or whatever. At least if you want to make your way.

In the late 60's (elementary school in Houston) we heard someone crying in the hallway during class. Teach found a little Mexican boy just curled up and bawling his head off. A debriefing from a bilingual teacher determined that he was an illegal whose parents had just dumped him off because they "..knew he had to go to school..." Jesus turned out to be a real sharp kid. At that time, there was no special education classes for teaching English. He picked it up with just a tiny bit of info from that Spanish speaking teacher who'd tutor him from time to time. Once he got semi-conversational, he was able to learn in our special ed and he'd ask us what 'this' or 'that' was called. By the end of the next school year he'd not only damn near mastered spoken English, but he'd also caught up to us in his same grade level. He also asked us to call him Jesse. He said it sounded more American to him.

My mother was born of German and Czech immigrant families. Her older family all still spoke "old counrty" among themselves. They only spoke in English to her and the other kids or when dealing with folks in town. She begged her mother and father to teach her thier native languages but they refused. The answer always went like this: "No, no, no....we are Americans, this is America, speak English here."
 
He also asked us to call him Jesse. He said it sounded more American to him.
She begged her mother and father to teach her thier native languages but they refused. The answer always went like this: "No, no, no....we are Americans, this is America, speak English here."

How sad. :(

Unless I missed it, no-one advocated government enforcement.

You missed it. Here it is again:

It has been my candid observation over many years that immigrants, both legal and illegal, come here not to become Americans, but to set up their exclusive enclaves and NOT integrate into our society as Americans. I object to that and I feel we should not allow it. We should do away with this multilingual BS and insist they learn the language of this country, which is ENGLISH!!!

I don't think she means through local PTA meetings, either. This is the same lady that advocated building a "Berlin wall" at the U.S.-Mexican border, and lacing our side of it with "toe-poppers." :rolleyes: I wouldn't want this lady making arguments for my side.

It is a common language that unites us all and furthers the discourse on freedom and liberty.

Really? English is my primary language, and I love it, but this is at the very least an overstatement. I'd think what unites us as Americans and what brings in future Americans is the BELIEF in freedom and liberty as a way of life. The particular language in which you say "freedom" and "liberty" is of little consequence. Other than that, I can't really make out the rest of your rambling post. Seems conflicted to me.
 
I've been run off the road and nearly killed because the people driving refuse to learn enough english to read the darn street signs.
lack of english skills dooms them to menial work as well.

I wasn't there, but you are sure it was because of their lack of language skills, not their being in Condition White and/or being vehicularly challenged?

Being a bad driver seems to transcend language barriers, at least here in Orange County.
 
Well you are in Tacticalifornia and I'm in "bleet bleet" Los Angeles. Plus you have that Ninja stealth and all that Chinese infiltration training. Practicing the art of deflection.
 
Plus you have that Ninja stealth and all that Chinese infiltration training. Practicing the art of deflection.

I can even pick the banjo. They'll never suspect me of being a Commie even if I am a Chinaperson of miritary age....
 
So? Are they limited to that language? Please. :rolleyes:

They were also written on paper, so do they exist only on paper? :rolleyes: x2
 
Bad driving, a lack of social skills, and general ignorance know no color barrier.

No, it's because squinty-eyed Chinese immigrants can't see, can't read, and can't speak Engarish.

WHO'S ignorant? :banghead:
 
Oh, good grief! :rolleyes: The YELLOW PERIL again? :uhoh: And the Border Guards here tell us that their immigration concerns are not about racism.

The US went nuts over Chinese immigration over 125 years ago based on racist hysteria (they were diseased, bred like rabbits, inclined toward criminality, inter alia). Today the Chinese make unbelievable, outstanding contributions to the nation. Heck, just look at THR. :D

If the concern is for "national security", surely we can make arguments against immigration without reverting to rasism. Bad for our common cause of the RKBA. :)

I ask the Border Guards, what's wrong with speaking other languages? You don't seem to mind anyone speaking Gaelic, German or Polish. Why are Spanish, Farsi and dialects of Chinese wrong?
 
Bam-Bam - that's why it's called a rant - it's not intended to be a paragon of logic, just an emotional response to a frustrating topic.

On the topic of immigration, regardless of the legal vs illegal issues, what do we reasonably expect of immigrants? I expect them to learn the language in order to fully participate in the opportunities available here, as well as fulfilling the responsibilities[/i} of citizenshihp, just as I would expect to need to learn the laguage of any foreign counrty I might immigrate to.

If they come for a better life and become an American (whatever that is), fine; if they just come to take advantage of the opportunities without becoming contributing members of the society, screw 'em, we don't need them, they are parasites, JMNSHO.

Edited to add: I'm speaking about all immigrants, not just Asians.
 
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Oh, good grief! The YELLOW PERIL again?
Paging Frank Burns, paging Frank Burns...

You don't seem to mind anyone speaking Gaelic, German or Polish. Why are Spanish, Farsi and dialects of Chinese wrong?
El Tejon, there you go inserting logic again. You know that's now allowed in these threads. ;)
 
El T.,

The US went nuts over Chinese immigration over 125 years ago based on racist hysteria (they were diseased, bred like rabbits, inclined toward criminality, inter alia).

Well,
Diseased: SARS
Bred like rabbits: Hey, what can I say :D
Inclined toward criminality: I think it got lost in the translation--inclined toward TACTICALITY. The criminality didn't happen until AFTER 1934 when all that stuff became illegal :evil:

I'll keep my Cantonese CDs turned down low. Don't want DHS swooping down on me.

:barf: Cantonese CDs??? :barf:

Skunk's friend: "Why are your parents yelling at eachother?"
Skunk: "Oh, they're not mad, they're just talking."
Skunk's friend: "They sound mad...."
Skunk: "....."

Mike in VA,

If they come for a better life and become an American (whatever that is), fine; if they just come to take advantage of the opportunities without becoming contributing members of the society, screw 'em, we don't need them, they are parasites, JMNSHO.

So who decides who is productive and who is being a leach? My dad can't stand a lot of the recent Chinese immigrant population for the same reasons--people driving Lexuses (Lexii?) paying for food with welfare checks.

The fault here isn't completely on the Mexican, Chinese, Serb, or whatever immigrants. It's our welfare system. Who can resist a freebie? If we keep giving stuff away, people will come.
 
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