Illegal Immigration-How to fix it?

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I know many people on this forum think secession is far-fetched. I don't. I think there will be many Americans, looking at what's on the horizon economically, who are going to start thinking about how they can detach their fortunes from this runaway train called The New America. How many of today's American citizens are going to agree with a massive tax increase to cover the amnesty brainstorm?
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Been thinking about that for a few years now, it's probably just a matter of time before exchanging fiat for commodity-barter goes mainstream.

There's no need for a tax increase, every dollar of debt will get repaid with weaker dollars... "same as it ever was", the presses will just run faster. About time those that see the theft for what it is become "nouveau riche", and (sadly have to) buy some political clout like the oldster socialists. Otherwise, it'll be the same "speak no evil" routine from the pols until the collapse.

American consumption has become an addiction, and it is fueled by DEBT, which is day by day weakening this nation and undermining its future. You aren't fixing that problem by importing more unskilled, uneducated workers to keep the problem going, especially if you end up adding them and their dependents to the social welfare roles.
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No, you just end up buying another day for the New Deal, which costs you more than the last one. 100 vampires may be able to live off a single host for a while, but none can live off the corpse it will become.

Honestly, with the massive financial pain being inflicted on those with fixed incomes (elderly mainly) I can't believe somebody hasn't mobilized the AARP to light a forest-fire under Congress with their heavyweight lobbying power (actual VOTES that can be counted on). Forget gunowners or NRA members, those bluehairs could get results if mobilized. I've written the Senators and Reps, now I'm thinking of writing AARP, and giving them a lesson in History and Economics under the guise/pen-name of my retired dad.
 
You can "write" till your fingers fall off .... won't do a bit of good - sorry to say. These so-called 'reps', of ours, simply don't care .... period. There's nothing in it for 'em. They already have their own "safety nets", and their financial futures are 'secure' thanks to us "suckers" - the tax payers.
 
Thank You, Madmag for opening my eyes...:what:

let me start w/ some definitions.
undocumented alien- a person not having the needed documents as for permission to work in a foreign country.
immigrant-a person admitted to the U.S. as a lawful permanent resident.


now, i can't and won't formulate the obvious conclusions for the sake of those that can't/won't figure 'em out for themselves. :banghead:

As in medicine, We as a country need not treat the symptoms to the illness, but instead cure the illness.

my solution: work permits that document those workers that seek to fill needed jobs in the economic areas of service, food, construction, sanitation and agricultural industries. make such work permits renewable every 2-3 years
and after 5 years of meritorious service to the society, then proceed to apply for the naturalization process which is already in place and used by legal immigrants..set a precedent of loyalty, ethics and good standing and if you choose then get in line for a legal residence process. remember, undocumented workers come here for the economic incentive, not to live here permanently. the reason they are here permanently is because they don't have the necessary permits enabling them to travel freely back and forth between Mexico and the U.S. to do the jobs they already do...they work hard to earn the most money they can so that they may improve the lives of those left behind..once these workers are documented there would be little need to go through all the trouble of crossing the borders and such..just apply for an available American job as per established guidelines of the gov't and wait for your application to be called. think of it as a foreign U.S.employment office...go look at postings of available unskilled/semi-skilled American jobs, note the info and apply...then wait to be called for duty..all from the comfort of your own country...now, that would go a long way towards eliminating the problems along the southern border states. it would alleviate other problems as schooling for children of undocumented aliens too. just because they are here stuck in the U.S. does not mean they stop living life. those males with families waiting back home get lovers and procreate kids too...oftentime from other undocumented females to boot. it's clear to me what the solution is... still, you would still have some folks that would through ignorance or stupidity come across the border..people are people after all...for them, that is what the Border Patrol is there for...and since they have been relieved of the border rush...they will be more than willing to do their job! hell, if i was a Mexican national making good money here in the states...i would not stay here..i would make my money and go home...health care, it's free basic care in Mexico, other advanced medical care is available through private sector. just ask Americans who cross the border for the inexpensive medical procedures. and since i'm making money...if i needed intensive care in the U.S. , that's what insurance is for..in case s!@# happens..last time i checked it's a couple tens $$ to buy coverage a month... And the kicker, none of this has anything to do with U.S. citizenship or it's benefits such as voting, welfare, etc.....is this too radical an idea or what? i could be wrong. just an idea...oh, and speaking of undocumented criminals...they should be caught and punished, then sent back to prison in their respective countries for their countries to deal with them...criminals are criminal everywhere regardless of their race, nationality, gender, etc, etc...:scrutiny:
 
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1. Quit wanting cheap Walmart pricing.
2. Work for 3 to 6 dollars/hr.
3. Do hard labor such as digging a ditch, landscaping, washing dishes, car wash, factory labor, etc.
4. Willing to cut out all beni's.
6. Are willing to pay much more in everything you do and buy.

Answers:
1. I don't shop at Wal-Mart.
2. I have worked for as little as $.50 an hour.
3. Done all that hard labor listed and more. Most of my ditch digging was in the Army.
4. I guess I am too old....don't even know what that means.
5. What happened to 5?
6. I am willing to pay the less amount resulting from eliminating free social service programs for aliens.
 
From Post #28:

"...where the past decade’s currency devaluation (in mexico.." Sorry, but the peso has been in the range between 10:1 and 11:1 for over that ten years.

There is also a reference to $35/hr labor costs in Colorado, absent the use of illegals. I'm sceptical that one cannot find U.S.-born workers at quite a bit less than $70K/yr...

I thus have problems with the allegaions of causal relationships in that article.

Art
 
My sis n law over in Reno working a roofing company has spent over $14,000 last year advertising for labor. Roofer starts out at $14.50 hr. and goes up to $20+ and $34 per hr. on prevailing wage jobs. This is residential roofing, just nailing down shingles.
They could find no one to answer the call. So they imported 30 Romanians on VISA's from Detroit, 15 they could actually hire.

It appears the Romanians are doing the jobs the Mexicans don't want to do.

Vick
 
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There is also a reference to $35/hr labor costs in Colorado, absent the use of illegals. I'm sceptical that one cannot find U.S.-born workers at quite a bit less than $70K/yr...
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He includes payroll taxes and required benefits into that number...base salary is likely $35K.
 
feedthehogs said:
.... You can end it if you all decide to:
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Really? .... you mean if we stop shoppin' at Walley-World, we can stop illegal immigration?

You were doin' fine, up until you began to just quote someone else's thoughts and ideas - "The AP"?

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Employers should

make sure that the ssn matches the name by calling in, but thats about it.
I've heard you can buy quality fake ID in LA. how is an average guy supposed to know? but if you call social security and the number don't match then you call the cops or La Migra or ICE or whoeverer takes the illegals away.

The situation is so FUBAR that I think we are not to far away from angry people taking the law into their own hands.

I want to scream every time the suits on fox and cnn say "they do the work americans don't want" it's bovine excrement.

the minuteman group border patrol project is doing the job our gov't doesn't want to do because international agri biz wants cheap labor and our gov't wants their donations
 
So finding 2 low end US workers somehow means that americans don't want to work jammer?

For your illegal alien problem, I'd suggest large privately run detention centres akin to woomera and the like, however with more staff and equipment of course.
 
Illegal Immigration

Just enforce the laws now on the books! What we are seeing in Washington is a shameful display of pandering to the newest and biggest minority in our history.And the politicions in both parties see "votes",if not from the illegals but from their relatives in the US. Legal Americans including Hispanics who went the legal way to become citizens have to be upset at our Reps. in Washington who are now campaigning for reelection and using illegals for their podiums.:barf:
 
So Cal is lost. Hate to say it, but any American living there is behind enemy lines. However, the invasion *could* be halted there if enough Americans get off their butts and fire the treasonous pols who are assisting these invaders.
See the sites in my sig and bug the hell out of your state pols.
It's a puncher's chance we have folks, lets start swingin'.
Biker
 
The question that never gets answered:

Why should illegal workers in this country be allowed not to pay taxes to support the social services and benefits that all Americans receive??

I have never heard a reasonably response to this question. I have paid taxes since I was 18, so why not everyone else?

All countries, including Mexico, ask its citizens to pay taxes to support their services. In fact, I lived in El Paso and worked in Juarez. I paid Mexican and USA taxes. In addition to my passport I had to have a special Mexican work visa.
 
All money wired out of the US to Mexico goes to Banco de Mexico. There is only one bank in Mexico. The Mexican government has a special department to regulate money sent into the country. My understanding is that the amount is estimated at 16 billion per year. One can wire money out the country at any 7-11. However, if done at a bank, one must be an account holder. I believe the Mexican government taxes this money before allowing its disbursement. They certainly know where it came from and where it went. So money earned here is taxed in Mexico but not necessarily here. It seems to me that one should only be able to wire money if they have shown themselves to be a citizen or legal alien. What I am getting at is to remove a major incentive for being in the US unless intending to spend the money here and sure to pay taxes here.

The other thing I would change is to require all wages to be paid by check, so that the expense is auditable, and so that the check cannot be cashed without being an account holder or presenting ID documentation to a check cashing service. Opening an account requires one to be a citizen or a legal alien.

We need to make it hard to be illegal, but of course that means that there will be a price for everyone to pay, not just people who look like furiners.
 
All money wired out of the US to Mexico goes to Banco de Mexico. There is only one bank in Mexico. The Mexican government has a special department to regulate money sent into the country. My understanding is that the amount is estimated at 16 billion per year. One can wire money out the country at any 7-11. However, if done at a bank, one must be an account holder. I believe the Mexican government taxes this money before allowing its disbursement. They certainly know where it came from and where it went. So money earned here is taxed in Mexico but not necessarily here. It seems to me that one should only be able to wire money if they have shown themselves to be a citizen or legal alien. What I am getting at is to remove a major incentive for being in the US unless intending to spend the money here and sure to pay taxes here.

The other thing I would change is to require all wages to be paid by check, so that the expense is auditable, and so that the check cannot be cashed without being an account holder or presenting ID documentation to a check cashing service. Opening an account requires one to be a citizen or a legal alien.
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Good ideas, but you know who will oppose them.
 
My sis n law over in Reno working a roofing company has spent over $14,000 last year advertising for labor. Roofer starts out at $14.50 hr. and goes up to $20+ and $34 per hr. on prevailing wage jobs. This is residential roofing, just nailing down shingles.
They could find no one to answer the call. So they imported 30 Romanians on VISA's from Detroit, 15 they could actually hire.
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Cut back welfare and take the money out of drug-dealing and that situation will change.
 
Hi All-

My suggestion is to simply erect two high and sturdy chainlink fences a half-mile apart completely within United States territory. The area between those fences would contain a minefield that would be impossible to cross. Lighted signs and loudspeakers would advise people in multiple languages around the clock:

"...Danger! Danger! You are approaching the United States of America using an unapproved point of entry. This area contains defensive landmines that will result in death beyond this fence. Visitors and citizens of the United States of America will be welcomed at approved points of entry. Move away from this area immediately and enter the United States at the following..."​
This would greatly reduce the need for motion detectors, dogs, dangerous horseback patrols, and would vastly reduce the number of illegal immigrants to a mere trickle. The disgusting coyotes engaging in human trafficking would essentially be put out of business because nobody would be willing to assume the risk. It may sound harsh at first, but is absolutely humane because there wouldn't be people starving or thirsting to death in the middle of the desert and our intention to protect our border would be clear and unambiguous.

As for the naysayers who say it's ridiculous and violent...imagine you as an American tourist overseas encountered a fence and similar signs while hiking the border area between Austria and Germany. Would you be deeply offended or would you simply choose NOT to jump the fence and get yourself blown to bits? It is an easy decision to make.

~ Blue Jays ~
 
Blue Jays,

There will be mourning sessions, guided by "compassionate" teachers, in every early-grade school in America the first time someone scales the fence and gets blown up.

Our own President will have tears in his eyes.

We have a cultural problem. We have made a God (false) of Compassion.
 
I'm all out of compassion. It's been replaced with pragmatism.
Contact your pols, folks. It's one of our last hopes.
Biker
 
I think you guys are right.

I think the only way you turn back this tide is with tripwires, mines, booby traps, walls and patrols.

I think you should begin, immediately. Really. :cool:
 
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