Illegally using Dogs for Deer

I have never said that I'm in favor of breaking the laws of the state. I do my best to follow the law, and I'll say no more about the subject.

Mac

 

I love to bird hunt over dogs. It really adds to the experience to watch the dogs work but they're always within sight or at least earshot, as it should be.

In my state it's illegal to hunt deer with dogs, or shoot deer being chased by dogs and that's how I like it. Do what you want on your property but keep your dogs off mine.

When I lived in a more remote area, strays and ferals were a constant threat. Never lost any cattle but there's no telling how many chickens I lost to predators, foreign and domestic. Been totally cleaned out by packs of dogs. I've even seen feral cats kill fully grown chickens caught outside the wire at night. I have a low tolerance for people who either dump their pets in the country or allow them to roam free and wreak havoc on their neighbors.

 

Well said, sir. My sentiments exactly.

Mac

 

Double naught spy I wish I could like your post about double standards a thousand times !!! Wow don’t shoot my dog on your property but same guy will shoot someone else’s dog on his property. Double standard for sure!

 

There is no double standard at work here. Reading comprehension, it's a thing.

 

Post 70 looked that way to me?Or did I miss something? Serious question

 

...oh, I dunno, I've read and reread "MacAR's" posts and it sure reads like a double standard to me. Altho I tend to comprehend very well, maybe you can tell me where I'm making a mistake when reading the following quote?

........It's also pretty easy to read between his lines.

There's no reason for SSS, unless one is doing something illegal. Folks that brag about the Three S's are generally not politically correct, so they don't worry much what others think, so it's not even an ethics thing. It's all about breaking the law and how to get away with it.

I too hunt with dogs.....have so all my life. Have a Drahthaar sleeping at my feet right now. There have been times over the years when one would get lost or follow it's nose beyond hearing or the operating distance of the collar. But I never intentionally ordered my dogs or allowed them on property I did not have permission to hunt. That is what the OP of this thread is about. That said....I have never shot another man's dog regardless of what they did or were doing, much less bragged about it on a public forum. I have, in the distant past, put down friends dogs when asked. Nowadays, I believe that is illegal too, so I won't.

 

I almost shot a dog today , but not intentionally . They were running a deer and it crossed onto my property . I could hear the dogs close behind it . Just as the deer crossed into the opening I was about to pull the trigger , my finger was just starting to put pressure on the trigger and I see a dog coming right in front of me from a different direction as the others . It was close and the closest that I have come to shooting something that I didn’t intentionally want to shoot . As I am typing this it still has me a little shook up . That was a nice looking old hound and I am sure glad that I didn’t kill it . I can get a deer another day next season . The season goes out today and peace and quite will return here until next deer season .

 

Craig c I believe I understood just fine. . I may not be the brightest bulb but I understand what is being said . Hope it works out well for all .

 

You obviously don't have livestock.

You obviously don't have livestock either. And another thing: if you're gonna accuse me of illegal activities, you darn well better have your facts in order. If you'd read the statue posted at the top of this page, you'd see that I have the right to protect my livestock, crops, and property. I have to answer to God and the state of Arkansas if and when I do, not to a bunch of keyboard warriors hiding behind a username. This thread has quite obviously run it's course, and arguing about what I do on my farm is not only off topic, but none of your business. Good day.

Mac

 

If dog are harming your livestock kill them . Just don’t expect another livestock owner that do the same to your dog .That you yourself said enters other people’s property.And how they would know you were no happy about it. That is the double standard. Period if you have to shoot problem dogs it is what it is .Just don’t expect others not to do the same. Hopefully you see what I’m saying.

 

I fully expect someone to do the same. I practice what I preach and keep my dog at home. Matter of fact, I'll shoot my own if I catch it in someone's field chasing stock, and have before. My meaning was, that I'd not appreciate anyone shooting my dog while she was hunting. But if she's chasing stock, then kill her. That simple.

Mac

 

Understood. Hope all is well with you and yours. Happy new year.

 

Please note the distinction made between strays and neighbor's dogs.

Obviously not.

Nonsense. Maybe in some cases but just because it's technically legal, doesn't mean it's wise to broadcast it to the world. It's usually easier to just "SSS". People are really friggin' weird about pets and dogs in particular, evidenced right here in this thread and even if the shoot is 100% legal, doesn't mean people won't react negatively. Sometimes with long term ramifications. In fact, I would wager it's almost a guarantee to raise some sort of stink, even if the dog is caught with your dead chicken in its mouth. It's always "Fido would never do that", even after it's obvious that he did.

 

Yes Craig I do understand in post 70 nothing was said about his dog’s being on his neighbors or friends land. So think what you will . Have a good evening.

 

I doubt if anyone here has a problem with putting down a dog, feral or not, when it is attacking livestock or loved ones. I did read the statute and know the laws pertaining to killing pets here in my state. Just because a dog wanders onto your property, you can "assume " it's there to attack and kill something, but just making that assumption, does not give you the "legal" right to shoot it.

. Shooting dogs indiscriminately just because they may have the potential? Not my words......yours, and yes, I comprehended the meaning just fine.

...yet, here you are, one of the bunch of, as you call them, "keyboard warriors".

You claim all the others here are not "comprehending", yet you are the only one defending. Maybe it's you that is having the issue with "reading comprehension". MacAR was basically bragging about "if one shows up here it doesn't leave"...and then goes on to claim it's his right to kill that animal, just because he believes the stray "may have the potential". Again, if the animal is attacking livestock or loved ones, what kind of "long term ramifications" does anyone have to worry about? None. No reason to SSS. Now, to just shoot a lost dog just because he showed up at your place, one probably does have a reason...because it is not only unethical, but illegal.

 

I've said all I'm going to say to you. I do not have to justify my actions to anyone, more especially a knuckle head whose only desire is to argue with me. If you don't like what I post, then don't read them and keep your mouth shut. Pretty simple.

Mac

 

Good reflexive advice, MacAR.

 

He said nothing about shooting dogs indiscriminately, just because they're on his property. I don't do that or condone it. I see neighbor's dogs nearly every day. He made the distinction about shooting strays. So maybe you're reading what you want into it. I'm entirely unemotional about it but most people, not so much. That's the point.

Shoot a neighbor's dog, even while it's killing your livestock and see what happens. People are emotional and irrational about their pets, moreso today than yesterday. I'm watching it happen right here in this thread. There are people who don't think their dog should be put down after attacking people. Are you that obtuse or just being argumentative???

 

I am aware of one large landowner in Central Florida that was known to off hunting dogs...made little secret of it. He quit after having to deal with several gut shot purebred horses.................that knife cuts both ways!

 

Again, well stated. Emotion enters into far too many things anymore. It really irks me when people become argumentative and even downright rude when they don't really understand the situation. Something about walking in another man's shoes springs to mind.

That's a true fact, and I can attest to it first hand.

We all make mistakes, and while I do not condone anyone breaking the law, we all must do as we think best when matters of livestock and property are being considered. I will make no apologies for what I think or do, but I do want to clarify some things.

First, I do not, have not, and will not shoot anything without just cause.(Read that again.) Period, end of discussion.

Second, I fully expect to abide by my own rules. In other words, I practice what I preach. My dog stays at home at all times, unless she's hunting with me. At no time is she beyond 300 yards from me, because she's trained that way. If at any time she wanders off to chase cattle or kill hens and gets shot, that's no one's fault but mine. Period, end of discussion.

Third, just because a person doesn't agree with me, doesn't make me dislike them. However, when disagreement descends into accusations, I have nothing further to say on the subject. Either discuss intelligently and civilly or don't speak at all. Period, end of discussion.

Now, I really have said about all I can say in this matter. It's very clear that some of us feel one way and some the other, and will never agree. And that's ok. But let's all agree to disagree, and call it a day on this one.

Mac

 

Thank you everyone ! Our DNR was aware of the problem, as were some others. It worked out anyway!

 

I won't shoot a dog, it's not the dogs fault. We are always legal, and teach the same. I saw all the posts, and yes trespassing should be more enforced. In this state many times it's what county your in and who is committing the crime. For us, we try to be good sports! It did work out, we got two! The wife almost got run over by hers! LOL ..They were so spooked they ran right to us on the trail! Two shots, two deer!