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Illegals get Drivers License

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Ol' Badger, Sep 3, 2003.

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  1. Ol' Badger

    Ol' Badger Member

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    I just read an artical that Kali is going to give Illgeals in their state Drivers License's. If we now give illegals the right to drive, why not let them caryy guns? Thoughts please.
     
  2. TarpleyG

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    First off, it's a "privilege" to drive, not a right and I don't agree with what Kali is doing. And, being that these illegals are not citizens, I don't think they have earned the "right" to keep and bear arms per our constitution.

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  3. STW

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    However, since CA simply requires a drivers license, proof of residence like a utility bill, and a HSC card there will be nothing to prevent them (unless they are already flagged as illegal in the system from being caught before.):banghead:
     
  4. Steve Smith

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    The right to carry a gun is a human right and is not a priveledge of being American. These folks already have the right to carry. They have since they were born, just as you and I.


    Everyone has the right. Some rights are infringed upon by tyrannical governments, both foreign and domestic.
     
  5. Mostly Harmless

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    The Constitution doesn't grant any rights. It merely prohibits the US government from infringing upon the pre-existing God-given rights of the people who it serves. Citizens, non-citizens, residents or visitors makes no never mind, the right of self-defence and to be secure in one's person trumps any and all governments.

    The legality, or not, of one's presence in this country has got nothing to do with one's right to self-defence.

    J.
     
  6. DJJ

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    Kern County (and maybe others) uses drivers licenses as well as voter registrations to draw people for jury duty. Does this mean we might have illegals for jurors? :fire:
     
  7. kenehsr

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    :cuss: All it means is more money in the politicians pocket and the illegals vote.:cuss:
     
  8. AZTOY

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    Tinfoil hat on!!

    Pres Fox + Mexico + illegal immigration + Drivers Licenses + voting + guns + Cruz Bustamante + race + MEChA = AZTLAN

    AZTLAN refers to the U.S. southwestern states which MEChA claims were stolen from Mexico (disclaiming the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, $15 million paid, etc.), must be reconquered ("Reconquista") and reclaimed for Mexico. :uhoh:


    Tinfoil hat off!!
     
  9. Hkmp5sd

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    Something even worse...

    NY is proposing allowing legal aliens to vote in local/state elections.
     
  10. Destructo6

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    It also means that I could potentially have a dozen different aliases, each with an official CA driver's license to back the charade. If I were a little more devious, I could probably figure out a way to vote that many times as well: a force multiplier of sorts.
     
  11. Ala Dan

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    Greeting's All-

    Kind'a like an ole' gentleman from Memphis that we
    arrested several year's back. When asked for his D/L,
    he gave the arresting officer what appeared to be
    UN (United Nations) drivers license. They looked to
    be offical, so the female officer began running the
    D/L number thru N.C.I.C.; looking for any hit's on a
    signal "10-29" (check records for wanted).

    Well, the number(s) could not be verified and kept
    coming back "NOT ON FILE". So, the suspect was
    brought into headquarter's for further identification.
    Making a long story short, everything about this
    "FOOL" was bogus!:uhoh: His SSN number came
    back to "Bro Bill Clinton" and he even had a fake TN
    license plate; looking much like an "Olympic" plate
    with the words "Import/Export" along with the
    number. Those too, were "NOT ON FILE".

    To sum up, the perp was ID'ed by the U.S. Secret
    Service; and charged accordingly for using "Bro's"
    SSN number. Turns out, the old fart had 17
    prior arrest; all firearms related. Hell, he may still
    be in somebody's jail?

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
  12. Standing Wolf

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    States claim driving is a so-called "privilege," but it's a right like any other—and can be forfeited by abusing it.

    I believe illegal aliens have an intrinsic human right to keep and bear arms, but only in their own countries. The moment they invade the United States, they're felons.

    Of course, the leftist extremists in the People's Republic of California are passing out drivers' licenses like penny candy in the hope of winning votes. The difference between a $25 street hooker and the average leftist extremist politician is the price.
     
  13. morganm01

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    They can already go down to the post office and fill out a voter registration card. I doubt they would go to jury duty though, there are no consequences for them for skipping it.
     
  14. Double Naught Spy

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    Tarpley, I think you failed Constitutional law. You don't earn the rights of the Constitution. If one had to earn the rights of the Constitution, you can bet there would be a lot of Americans too lazy to put forth the effort. While there may be some restrictions on a few aspects pertaining to foreigners (such as not being able to vote), the Constitution covers all people within the borders of the US. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, freedom of speech, and even the right to bear arms (limited status restrictions) are included. Check the yellow form the next time you buy a gun. There is a slot for specific information required from foreigners buying guns.

    If the right to bear arms was a human right, earthly right, God-given right, or any other such classifiers, then laws pertaining to gun ownership would not change with borders.
     
  15. 10-Ring

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    NO!!! Leave this issue up to the people, not to a governor 1/2 way out the door! Don't reward people here illegally :cuss:
     
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    It should be called the CALIFORNIA VOTER FRAUD ILLEGAL LICENSE ACT.

    Motor voter registration + 2 Million illegals = VOTER FRAUD

    There is no provision to check that they are legitimate. Also illegal hispanics are what most people have in mind when they think of illegal aliens. What about the illegal al queda members, and criminals who will take advantage of this stupid excuse of a liberal screw up? One thing the idiots never mention is how disengenious their stupid illegal license act is because there is reciprocity in California as far as drivers licenses are concerned.
    If you have a Mexican drivers license that will suffice in California!

    There is no check for legality when registering to vote. You check the little box that says under penalty of purjury you are a citizen. You go to your polling place, and simply vote because as far as they are concerned you are a legal illegal. The polling people where you vote can't check for legitimacy.

    You think I'm wearing a tin foil hat? I'm an American of Mexican descent living in Los Angeles.
     
  17. jims98z28

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    So if any illegal can get a DL, what will happen when I go out of state to say Las Vegas and get stopped. Will my DL work? There is no way to tell if I'm a legal citizen. Will I need a f-ing passport to leave the state?
    This is past rediculous and a sad attempt by the left to win this election.
     
  18. Cal4D4

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    SSN not to be used as ID, Kali DL handed out at the border crossing, voting rights to anyone with a desire to vote. Kind of a novel social experiment. Check back in a few election cycles and see how we are doing, amigo.
     
  19. TarpleyG

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    What Standing Wolf said...

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    I'll bet it won't be long before some states (Texas, hopefully) will pass laws rescinding the DL reciprocity with California for this reason--just like several states are refusing to recognize gay marriages occurring in Hawaii & other states. If "Grey-out" Davis succeeds in this, CA licenses won't be worth the paper they're printed on.

    (Of course, this will mean that, due to the inconvienience, the Feds will introduce its own ID card that will be accepted nationwide. At first, it will be voluntary to join (so Calif. citizens won't be inconvenienced when they leave the state), but it will soon become mandatory throughout the nation.)

    "Your papers, please...." :fire:
     
  21. longeyes

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    Let's cut to the chase. Where this is all going is a race/civil war, fomented by the Usual Suspects who have an interest in spreading chaos, subverting the rule of law and reason, and consolidating central control. (I keep my tin-foil hat in my bug-out bag, by the way) All the pillars of our culture and society are under attack. Sovereignty and suffrage will be the next to fall.
     
  22. Shalako

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    Longeyes hit the nail on the head (typical) in that our sovreignity is at stake. Its all part of the whacked-out liberal idea that it is selfish and greedy to limit the operation of an entity(CA) to a select few(citizens) and that the whole world should take part in the governance of California. "Tear down the walls." It is like some scary social-science experiment conducted by some touchy-feely idealist moron. But no, it is beeing conducted by the majority of our elected officials!
    Freaking crazy!

    "It takes a village".....BULL S---!
     
  23. Kaylee

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    Feh... I think the source of all of this comes down to CA wanting the $$ from the new licenses and registrations and all. :)

    As to the "driving is a privilige, not a right." :barf:
    I bought that at 16 in driver's ed. Now... uh-uh. Either we're free to travel or we're not. Now sure, the way the system's set up now, it's hard to get by without what's become a defacto National ID card. Don't make it right... just something to put up with for pragmatic reasons... for now.

    -K
     
  24. rock jock

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    Nope. As many on THR are fond of saying, a person's rights end where another's begin. Our corporate right as a country to national sovereignty trumps their RKBA. Stated another way, they may have an intrinsic human right to self-defense, but they do not have the latitude to exercise that right here since they are trespassers on private property. When someone breaks into my house, or trespasses on my property, the only right they have is to surrender peacefully and quickly before being shot.
     
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    I pray that it will not happen here. More reason not to go to the PRK. I still want to kick it out into the Pacific to make its own nation.

    Kann ich Ihre Papiere bitte sehen?
    Danke.

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