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Just would like to know, because it's unclear to me, how did the issue with the IFMA and Springfield and Rock River hurt gun owners? I have heard a lot about it but it is still unclear to me how this actually hurt gun owners. Businesses I can see. Did it raise prices, make firearms harder to obtain, limit capacities, etc.? Illinois has never been very gun friendly, just curious.
 
Just would like to know, because it's unclear to me, how did the issue with the IFMA and Springfield and Rock River hurt gun owners? I have heard a lot about it but it is still unclear to me how this actually hurt gun owners. Businesses I can see. Did it raise prices, make firearms harder to obtain, limit capacities, etc.? Illinois has never been very gun friendly, just curious.

If the dealer licensing proposal went into effect, it would add a great deal of cost to every firearm sold in Illinois, would eliminate many smaller dealers and generally make gun shops more difficult to operate; it should be obvious how hurting those who sell guns hurt those who purchase them.

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If the powers that be here had their way, they'd ban private gun ownership altogether. Knowing they can't do that they make it as difficult and expensive to own and carry a gun as they can. That bill would put many, if not most LGS' out of business due to the increased costs they'd incur to operate. In regards to SA and RRA, the anti's did not have the votes to pass the bill in the senate, the first step in the legislative process. When the IFMA (SA and RRA) pulled their opposition to the bill in exchange for the carve out, they gave enough senators cover to vote for it, allowing them to make the claim that the bill can't be bad if the IFMA doesn't oppose it. It's gone no further for now, but the swing of a few seats next election along with a democratic governor will allow them to push it the rest of the way through. SA and RRA really stuck it to us. While this was going on I called SA and received a call back from Stephanie Reese, Dennis Reese's daughter. I didn't know who she was until towards the end of our conversation. Long story short, I respectfully let her know that we weren't buying the explanation that her father was unaware of the carveout and they needed to provide something concrete showing he wasn't. They've released nothing other than their ongoing claims of ignorance. There is a backlash against them, at least here. I was recently in one of the larger LGS' in the Chicago area. They were promoting SA's below their cost. Even though there were many customers there, no one was looking at SA's, even at bargain basement prices.
 
If the powers that be here had their way, they'd ban private gun ownership altogether. Knowing they can't do that they make it as difficult and expensive to own and carry a gun as they can. That bill would put many, if not most LGS' out of business due to the increased costs they'd incur to operate. In regards to SA and RRA, the anti's did not have the votes to pass the bill in the senate, the first step in the legislative process. When the IFMA (SA and RRA) pulled their opposition to the bill in exchange for the carve out, they gave enough senators cover to vote for it, allowing them to make the claim that the bill can't be bad if the IFMA doesn't oppose it. It's gone no further for now, but the swing of a few seats next election along with a democratic governor will allow them to push it the rest of the way through. SA and RRA really stuck it to us. While this was going on I called SA and received a call back from Stephanie Reese, Dennis Reese's daughter. I didn't know who she was until towards the end of our conversation. Long story short, I respectfully let her know that we weren't buying the explanation that her father was unaware of the carveout and they needed to provide something concrete showing he wasn't. They've released nothing other than their ongoing claims of ignorance. There is a backlash against them, at least here. I was recently in one of the larger LGS' in the Chicago area. They were promoting SA's below their cost. Even though there were many customers there, no one was looking at SA's, even at bargain basement prices.

Thank you, that is the answer that I was looking for. Illinois is probably the most restrictive gun state in the nation, which makes me wonder why any manufacturer would want to do business there anyways. That being said, there is probably more behind the scenes than we know.
 
Spranger and Rocker are fine by me.

Life's too short to hold a grudge. It's in the past, and I doubt they'd repeat the same mistake again.
 
Spranger and Rocker are fine by me.

Life's too short to hold a grudge. It's in the past, and I doubt they'd repeat the same mistake again.

I tend to agree, I still think theres more to it behind the scenes than we know. Just like when Bill Ruger urged congress to ban high capacity magazines insted of certain weapons. His intent had merits for some, but bad consequences for others.
 
Spranger and Rocker are fine by me.

Life's too short to hold a grudge. It's in the past, and I doubt they'd repeat the same mistake again.

This legislation being in the past is not quite accurate. It's back on the House floor for another vote, and they'll keep bringing it back as long as they can. I understand about not holding grudges and don't disagree with that, but given supporting a company that stuck it to us here in Illinois and then lied about it versus one that didn't, I'm going to spend my money with companies that haven't behaved this way. Until there's a change in leadership SA and RRA won't see another dime of my money.
 
Thank you, that is the answer that I was looking for. Illinois is probably the most restrictive gun state in the nation, which makes me wonder why any manufacturer would want to do business there anyways. That being said, there is probably more behind the scenes than we know.
I'm not sure I agree with the most restrictive comment. Have you heard of places such as NY, NJ or CA?
 
I'm not sure I agree with the most restrictive comment. Have you heard of places such as NY, NJ or CA?

Notice I said "probably". If not THE most, it's up there. Yes, I have heard of them, and will never set foot in any state that does not honor my CCW.
 
This legislation being in the past is not quite accurate. It's back on the House floor for another vote, and they'll keep bringing it back as long as they can. I understand about not holding grudges and don't disagree with that, but given supporting a company that stuck it to us here in Illinois and then lied about it versus one that didn't, I'm going to spend my money with companies that haven't behaved this way. Until there's a change in leadership SA and RRA won't see another dime of my money.
You are aware that SA and RRA fired the lobbyist that made that deal, correct?

Unfortunately, we'll get to judge their resolve on the issue. GDL is back up front and center. We'll beat it, but it will be thin.
 
You are aware that SA and RRA fired the lobbyist that made that deal, correct?

Unfortunately, we'll get to judge their resolve on the issue. GDL is back up front and center. We'll beat it, but it will be thin.

They fired him only after what they did came to light and there was a backlash against them. Doing the "right thing", if you want to call it that to save their bacon is meaningless to me, and the claim that Dennis Reese knew nothing about the deal is not believable.
 
I tend to agree, I still think theres more to it behind the scenes than we know. Just like when Bill Ruger urged congress to ban high capacity magazines insted of certain weapons. His intent had merits for some, but bad consequences for others.
I don't think Bill urged for the ban, he just didn't oppose it.
 
There are some fantastic deals online sometimes, but you need an FFL to take advantage of them. I was able to purchase the Remington RM380 for $99 after MIR. There was no gun shop within a hundred miles of me offering that kind of deal. SB1657 Gun Dealer Licensing would put the FFL by me out of business. I would be paying anywhere from $75.00 to $200.00 more for a firearm, or just foregoing the purchase,

The other thing is that my FFL is nearby but there is no gun store near my house. Illinois runs it own version of NICS called FTIP. I get delayed every time. That means I have to wait a day or 2 days after signing the paperwork, to actually take possession of my firearm. I'm really fortunate that I live near an FFL. I stop in on my way home from work or running errands, fill out the paperwork, get delayed and I leave. The next day or the day after, I get the call that I was approved so I stop in on my way home and pickup my firearm.

The Gun Dealer Licensing Bill - SB1657 would put my FFL dealer out of business and I'd be making 30 minute trips out of my way to the gun store, to wait in line to sign paperwork and then be told I got delayed, and then I'd have a 30 minute drive back to my house and when I'm finally approved I have another 1 hour round trip to finally go pick up my pistol.

To this day, there is no gun store or gun range in Chicago, despite the fact that they lost in court not once but twice over their schemes to prevent a gun store or range from opening in Chicago. The city is very underhanded in its anti-gun efforts. The Gun Dealer Licensing Bill - SB1657 allows the Illinois government to setup their own anti-gun gestapo with almost no limits on their power, it basically hands a committee the power of the state legislature. If they want to make more rules - they can make more rules and there is no limit on their rule making power. If they decided gun stores should be closed during school hours - they can enact that rule, if they decide that gun stores and FFLs have to retain 20 years worth of video records - they can enact that rule, (very expensive), if they decide that no guns can be on display in a glass case and that every firearm must be taken out of a safe to be shown to a customer, and then placed back in a safe - they can enact that rule. It is the power to put gun stores out of business under the pretext of making the public safer.

That bill could have been killed in the Senate but there were senators who were told that the large firearm manufacturers in Illinois had withdrawn their opposition to it. I'm not sure how many votes that swayed, but the bill only passed the Illinois Senate by 1 vote. This bill will now be a threat for the next year - it is going to stick around for another whole year.
 
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There are two things every gun owner in Illinois should be doing right now. The first is calling your representatives to ask them to vote against this bill. The second is calling SA and RRA. They need to feel the backlash and keep doing whatever they can to make sure this bill continues to be defeated.
 
The Gun dealer licensing bill - SB1657 - is once again a very real threat in Illinois, unfortunately, it has a very good chance of passing the Illinois House as the anti-Second Amendment outrage mob use the Florida tragedy to push their agenda. They're making a huge push this week to get it passed and shaming legislators who oppose it.

The IFMA no longer exists, but that lapse in judgement by Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms is still having repercussions...
 
Gun Dealer licensing passed out of the Illinois House this afternoon, the bill will be on the governor's desk tomorrow. I don't know what he'll do, he's running for re-election and I think this is the first gun-control legislation he has been presented with.

The governor does not have to sign it, I believe the bill becomes law in 90 days if the governor does nothing.

If the bill becomes law, my FFL will go out of business, he can't afford to purchase surveillance cameras along with a server and storage to retain video footage indefinitely. If the bill becomes law, it usurps the power of legislators and gives power to a committee to make up whatever rules they think serve the public interest.
 
Man we got screwed yesterday.

The manufacturer cave-in is one thing.

But I wasn't expecting ISRA to throw us under the bus with the assault weapons ban. They flipped sides and said they'd support an under 21 assault weapons ban as long as they got their "competition and training" carve out.

So now we are getting an assault weapons ban in Illinois. Yeah, only affects people under 21 "for now", and folks will have to wait 3 days to buy one of those 'evil assault weapons', if the other bill get signed in to law...

... but that slope is slippery... and we have a dangerous legal definitions on the books now for what constitutes an "assault weapon"

I got my first rifle when I was *12* years old.

Now young men won't even be able to own a frigging 10/22 until their 21st birthday?!

That's ridiculous.
 
Yep, a bad day in Illinois.

I hope people understand just how bad the Gun Dealer Licensing bill is. It was purposely written to be vague so that the Gun Dealer Licensing committee would have unlimited power. Gun shops and FFLs will have no recourse but to seek relief in the courts, but the Illinois judges have routinely gutted the Second Amendment, which means that the regulations will be in force for 4 or 5 years before they're heard by a higher court. More than enough time to put hundreds of gun stores, ranges and FFLs out of business.

If anyone has been complacent about this legislation up till now, it is time to get involved and contact the Governor's office and ask Governor Rauner to veto this bill.
 
Well, there is going to be a buying frenzy in Illinois, I'm sure both of those manufacturers are going to benefit from it...
 
Well, there is going to be a buying frenzy in Illinois, I'm sure both of those manufacturers are going to benefit from it...

I'm guessing only from buyers who are unaware of what they did. Don't underestimate the anger people have towards them, especially if this bill becomes law and we start seeing LGS' close. Springfield had no bigger fan than me, and I had 8 of their guns. I'm down to 2 and those will most likely be sold off. I won't buy from them as long as Dennis Reese is there. I can't in good conscience support a company that did what they did.
 
I'm guessing only from buyers who are unaware of what they did. Don't underestimate the anger people have towards them, especially if this bill becomes law and we start seeing LGS' close. Springfield had no bigger fan than me, and I had 8 of their guns. I'm down to 2 and those will most likely be sold off. I won't buy from them as long as Dennis Reese is there. I can't in good conscience support a company that did what they did.
^ This right here is the truth.

I am right there with you. I have 4 SA guns but after that BS IMFA stunt I am done with them until Dennis Reese is removed from SA.
If the Governor does not veto the bill the Illinois firearms community has been dealt a huge blow that no amount of "We support the Second Amendment" BS from SA or RRA can fix. The damage will have already been done.
 
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