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Illinois House rejects assault weapon ban

Discussion in 'Legal' started by iamkris, May 24, 2005.

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  1. iamkris

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    http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/24ban.html

    Illinois House rejects assault weapon ban

    May 24, 2005

    BY CHRISTOPHER WILLS ASSOCIATED PRESS

    Illinois lawmakers narrowly rejected a proposed ban on assault weapons and .50-caliber rifles Tuesday amid intense lobbying by both sides in the debate.

    Chicago Mayor Richard Daley has repeatedly called for stronger gun control measures, and Gov. Rod Blagojevich, a fellow Chicago Democrat also got personally involved by calling lawmakers and distributing videos demonstrating the firepower of assault weapons.

    The National Rifle Association argued that the proposed ban was too broad.

    "I just don't think the state's ready for that," said NRA lobbyist Todd Vandermyde.

    Rep. Edward Acevedo, a Democrat and also a Chicago police officer, denied the ban would have such a broad impact, saying it contained specific exceptions meant to exempt hunting and target-shooting guns and focus instead on weapons with more sinister uses.

    "I believe these weapons are made for mass destruction and war," Acevedo said.

    The definitions of an assault weapon vary, but the term generally applies to semi-automatic rifles with large ammunition magazines and such features as folding stocks and bayonet mountings.

    The measure also targeted .50-caliber rifles, which critics say have the power and range to punch through body armor, kill someone from a mile away or even bring down an airplane as it takes off or lands.

    The measure was an amendment that Acevedo attempted to add to an existing bill. It failed on a vote of 57-58 in the House on Tuesday. A swing of one vote would have given the amendment enough support to be added; approving the bill would than have taken 60 votes.



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  2. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Close call! Still good news to see that this type of fight can be won in places like Illinois though!
     
  3. Harry Tuttle

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    Add Illinois effort to Maryland's failure to pass an AWB and the gun control folke seem to be orbiting the relevance drain pipe.
     
  4. Edmond

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    They make it sound like a .50 cal is the only cartridge that could penetrate body armor, that just anyone who picks up the weapon could successfully terminate a target from a mile away and that anyone could bring down an airplane.

    Short of having Jack Bauer as the shooter, I don't forsee that happening much. :D
     
  5. iamkris

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    The disappointing part was I heard one of our local conservative talk AM stations (WIND) report this as "Illinois legislature defeats '.50 caliber assault weapons' package" and quoted Acevedo as "needing this since the fed didn't renew the 1994 Assault Weapons law". Disappointing that even the "balanced" media outlet takes in lies and reports them back out.

    Hey Edmond...the WASR is running like a champ. Not terribly accurate with Wolf but not bad with the brass cased ammo you sold me. I just got done threading the barrel and installing a AK74-style brake.
     
  6. Don Gwinn

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    Call 'em, Kris! Tell 'em on the air why that information is wrong.
     
  7. Standing Wolf

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    Yeah, and those terrible awful wicked evil malicious .50 caliber rifles cause cancer in kittens, deprive babies of sorely needed nutrition, cause crops to fail, and may well contribute to global warming, too. They're way too dangerous for commoners, I tell you!
     
  8. whm1974

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    Please. a centerfire bolt action rifle can kill a target a mile away and go through body armor. As far as shooting a plane, jetliners at least you have to hit the right spot to shoot one down, even then it would take more then one hit.

    -Bill
     
  9. Edmond

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    Kris,

    Glad to hear you like the WASR. At least you have the opportunity to enjoy it, which was something I never did. I ended up getting a P229 so it's all good. :D

    Maybe with Daley's numbers slipping, they can get a new mayor in Chicago and start changing for the better. Yeah right, the political machine would never let anyone else run.
     
  10. Thundercleese

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    Excellent excellent news. Not thrilled that it was "close", but it looks like we'll survive a bit longer. Seems that in IL, it becomes scary for gun owners every 2-3 years. I seem to recall being really worried in 2002 or so.

    In any case - eat it Blago - you're outta here like last year come next election.
     
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    ""I believe these weapons are made for mass destruction and war," Acevedo said."

    And therein lies the difficulty; they *were* made for war. (The "mass destruction" part seems a little contrived...)

    Many people don't understand (or, more likely, simply refuse to acknowledge) that the US Constitution's 2d Amendment was put there so that *the people* can carry weapons of war to defend themselves. They may need to defend themselves against crime, internal insurgency, foreign invaders, or maybe even a tyrannical government. But the point is that they need, and are specifically allowed to own and carry, WEAPONS. Not "ineffective" weapons, and most definitely not "sporting goods".

    Tim
     
  12. Johnnybgood

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    The Problem is that the bills

    for assault weapons ban and .50cal ban have been held until May 31st. I don't know if that means their dead or if they are going to try and sneak in another vote before then. Sb2104 that makes state law concerning firearm transport the same statewide in Illinois is also held until May 31st. I would not take the chance and call my Reps and Senators and tell them no again on HB2414 and hb1098 and yes on SB2104. Just my 2 cents.
     
  13. TheEgg

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    Yeah, and your point is?

    :banghead:
     
  14. ocd

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    It was just amendment #5 and they extended it to December 31st
     
  15. Norton

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    and your beliefs are not what we base our laws on, fortunately :banghead:
     
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    Defeated - for now

    I called three of the reps and politely told them I VOTE, I CONTRIBUTE, and I am a gun owner.

    See you at the next election.

    OCD - good link thanks
     
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    "I just don't think the state's ready for that," said NRA lobbyist Todd Vandermyde.

    Tell me Mr. Vandermyde...what gun control legislation is the State of Illinois ready for?
     
  18. Jeff White

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    Rod won't be able to run from this in Southern Illinois

    Well I guess Rod has come out of the closet. Not that anyone down in Southern Illinois who paid attention believed he wasn't anti gun. But I personally intend to see that all the gun owning democrat voters down here know what they are getting this time. Maybe he's convinced himself he can win re-election without Southern Illinois. Or maybe he's already given up on re-election. Either way, he's filled the magazines of his opponents with plenty of high powered ammuntion to use against him in the upcoming election.

    Jeff

    http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...F981EA63493FDF7B8625700C0010E73D?OpenDocument
     
  19. Kingcreek

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    Jeff, I agree with you but only if his opponents are PRO-gun. With the current crop of incontinent, hand-wringing suburban republicans, a RINO candidate could be just as anti and gun rights won't be an issue.
     
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    Agreed, and that's why I want Congressman Lahood to get the GOP nomination for 2006. He's pro-gun, he's from a rural district (nowhere near Crook County), he's explicitly stated his support for getting a CCW law in Illinois, and I think he's the best man to neutralize whatever vestigial remnants of support Rod may have downstate from union members who have been living in caves for the past 3 years.
     
  21. Jeff White

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    Gun rights are always an issue down here. I looked at the voting record of this bill and the only name from Southern Illinois from either party who voted for it was Yvetter Young from East St Louis and she always votes with Chicago.

    I think that we can make RKBA an issue in the election. I'm certainly putting my two cents in, with what little say I have in republican party matters.

    Jeff
     
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    Correct me if I am wrong but I believe Amendment 5 would have banned semi-auto pistols

    (C) a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to
    15 accept a detachable magazine and
    has any of the
    16 following:
    17 (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to
    18 the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
    19 (ii) a barrel having a threaded muzzle;
    20 (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or
    21 partially or completely encircles the barrel, and
    22 that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with
    23 the non-trigger hand without being burned;
    24 (iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more
    25 when the pistol is unloaded; or
    26 (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic
    27 firearm;
     
  23. Jeff White

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    That's the same language they used in the federal assault pistol ban. It's aimed at things like the Tech 9, OA93 etc.

    Jeff
     
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    It seems to me that that could coceivably make glocks illegal:
    The glock 18 is fully automatic, and the way many laws are loosely interpreted these days, there is plenty of room for abuse by those that say all other glocks are just semi-auto versions of the 18.

    This is not the case, but I bet it could be interpreted that way.
     
  25. Thundercleese

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    What about things like the Desert Eagle? At 4 pounds, 6 ounces that's way over the mark specified.
     
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