Illinois Supreme court refuses to rule on FOID card.

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  1. tark

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    Predictably, the Illinois Supreme Court refused to rule on the constitutionality of the FOID card. Read it in the paper. Don't have a link, I'm too computer stupid to find and post one. One of you smarter members will find one and post it, I'm sure.
     
  2. horsemen61

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    Welp that sucks I’m not surprised though
     
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    That sucks because it's obviously unconstitutional.
     
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    It is what it is. At least the cards last for ten years, now. They used to only be valid for five.
     
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    I renewed my FOID last year and got for 10 years period. My son in law received his this year, in April and it has no expiration day.
     
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  8. tark

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    I'm curious as to how long it took to get your card. I waited many months when renewing mine.
     
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    My renewal time was in February 2022. I filled online form in December and by January I had FOID in my mailbox.
     
  10. PapaG

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    Puzzies. Totally controlled by the Chitcago Demo mob. Head justice is wife of a big political figure.
    No chance in IL. All five branches of Gubmut controlled by Dems. House, Senate, Governor,Courts, and the press.
    Prove me wrong. We have been controlled unconstitutionally on guns since 1968!!!
     
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    They refuse to rule because they know the FOID law is unconstitutional.
    You don't pay to vote
    You don't pay to speak freely
    BUT - in Illinois you must pay to own a firearm legally - TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!
     
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    1934 gca,
     
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    The FOID is not going away. So glad I moved to a free state.

    Thanks to Illinois' unconstitutional laws Chicago's streets are now ruled by mobs and violent criminals...but the good news is that a whole lot of idiots will (and should) pay dearly for voting stupid.
     
  14. Private Citizen

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    Mope,

    You're absolutely right that the FOID is unconstitutional, but it isn't because of Illinois' unconstitutional laws that Chicago's streets run red with blood (see below courtesy of www.HeyJackass.com). It's because the president of the Cook County Board, Toni Preckwinkle; the Chief Judge of the Cook County Courts, Tim Evans; the Cook County State's Attorney, Kim Foxx; and the Cook County Sheriff, Tom Dart; won't enforce the laws against violent criminals.

    The problem is compounded by Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot and Chicago Police Superintendent David Brown, who won't support the men and women of the Chicago Police Department. I have lots of friends and family in Chicago and have seen it with my own eyes.

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    The following is just one of countless examples of all that's wrong in Chicago and Illinois.

    https://cwbchicago.com/2022/06/after-100-mph-chase-a-man-is-charged-with-carjacking-a-woman-in-the-loop.html

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    After 100 MPH chase, a man is charged with carjacking a woman in the Loop

    June 21, 2022 ality Control for Justin Fields and the Bears

    Prosecutors say two men carjacked a woman at gunpoint in the Loop while she was on break from work. But they only charged one of the men with the hijacking.

    Devonte Ladd, 18, and Deshun McGee, 20, were arrested when they ran from the hijacked car following a traffic crash as state police and Chicago cops followed them, according to the allegations. A woman who ran from the vehicle escaped.

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    Devonte Ladd is accused of carjacking a woman as she sat in her vehicle on the corner of Clark Street and Marble Place. | CPD; Google

    The victim, 20, was taking a break in her Chrysler 200 on the corner of Clark Street and Marble Place last Tuesday evening when McGee and Ladd allegedly walked past her car, then turned around and approached her driver’s door.

    Prosecutors said that McGee displayed a gun as Ladd ordered her out of the vehicle.

    “It’s not worth your life,” McGee allegedly advised when the woman initially refused to comply. He then pulled her out of the car, took her phone, and climbed behind the wheel as Ladd slid into the passenger seat, according to prosecutors.

    A surveillance camera recorded the hijacking, but prosecutors said the quality was not good enough to identify the carjackers.

    About four hours later, Illinois State Police troopers intercepted the hijacked car on the Dan Ryan Expressway near 75th Street. They pursued the vehicle at speeds that sometimes exceeded 100 MPH until it crashed near 45th and Western, prosecutors said.

    Ladd ran from the driver’s seat as McGee and the woman bailed from the passenger side, according to a CPD report.

    Police found a loaded handgun next to a fence that McGee jumped just moments before cops caught him, prosecutors said.

    During an interview with detectives, Ladd allegedly admitted to taking a train downtown, where he bumped into McGee, and they decided to carjack the woman, according to prosecutors. The victim, however, could not identify the Ladd and McGee as the hijackers.

    Prosecutors charged Ladd with aggravated vehicular hijacking with a firearm, armed robbery with a firearm, aggravated possession of a stolen motor vehicle, and aggravated fleeing.

    Judge Barbara Dawkins held him without bail at the state’s request.

    McGee is only charged with unlawful use of a weapon by a felon.

    “That’s what the state’s attorney’s office has decided to charge him with,” Dawkins said, noting that she can only consider charges that are filed when setting bail. She held him in lieu of $250,00 and said he must go on electronic monitoring if he posts a 10% deposit bond.

    McGee is on parole for a 2020 robbery in which he allegedly displayed the handle of a firearm in his waistband while mugging a man on the Northwest Side. A police report said he got $4 from the man.

    After pleading guilty in January, he received a four-year sentence from Judge Shelley Sutker-Dermer. By law, the sentence was cut in half for good behavior. He then received credit for 712 days spent in custody, mostly on electronic monitoring, before sentencing. In the end, he arrived at and departed Stateville Correctional Center on the same day, January 28.

    According to court records, prosecutors charged him with escaping from electronic monitoring while he was on bail for the 2020 robbery case, but they dropped the charge after he pleaded guilty to the robbery.

    In February, police arrested McGee when he ran from the driver’s seat of a stolen car during a traffic stop, according to a CPD report. Those charges were dropped in March.​


    There’s more at the link.

    There's no question the FOID card should be eliminated, but its elimination won't have much effect on the hellish situation Chicago's Democratic rulers have inflicted on its citizens. In fairness, these "leaders" have no incentive to change their ways given that voters keep re-electing them regardless of the policies that are killing their city and state.

    It's madness. Absolute madness.
     

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    I might add this; the Illinois State Police absolutely despise and loathe the FOID card law because they are charged with running it. It takes away manpower and resources that could be used for more important tasks...like catching bad guys!!
     
  16. Gun4Fun90

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    1934 was the nfa the gca was 1968 which I think is what he was referencing.
     
  17. Insignificant bill

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    Correct they let criminals using Thompsons to dictate our rights with the NFA and then let more criminals determine our rights with the GCA. Politicians should never have been allowed to dictate our rights.
     
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  18. BigBL87

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    Oh, it does have an expiration date, they just don't print it on the card anymore. It's incredibly stupid. You can check the expiration date through the ISP website, and they're supposed to send you a reminder when it's time to renew, but this is Illinois we're talking about. Personally, I think it's a political attempt to have alot of people let their FOIDs lapse and cause all kinds of issues for gun owners.

    I THINK every time you have a background check run to purchase it is supposed to push back the expiration to 10 years from that date, or something like that. Trying to remember exactly how it works.

    The IL State Supreme Court keeps punting this because they know IF they actually rule on it, it gets pushed up to the federal level and that doesn't end well for what the state Dems want. The precedent of Murdock v. Pennsylvania clearly lays out that charging a fee for the exercise of a federally guaranteed constiutional right is unconstitutional, that alone invalidates the FOID. I guess they could still require a FOID but not charge for it, but that seems like a huge money drain if the tried to do it.

    Especially with the current SCOTUS make, no way the FOID makes it out unscathed should it make it there.
     
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    Wait times are getting better supposedly. I submitted a renewal for my CCL in June of last year. By law, they had until October to approve or deny it. I didn't get approved until April 2022. I wrote and called my state rep, who couldn't care less. He supposedly talked to ISP but was told they couldn't tell him anything due to pending litigation, yada yada.

    I made a point to him that if I was 4 months late on my taxes, I'd have all kinds of legal trouble, but the state can violate the law to my detriment without consequence. He really didn't have a good response.
     
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  20. PapaG

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    Correct and that is when IL jumped on the bandwagon with he FOID requirement.
     
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